A Message To Peaceful Muslims
Tuesday
On CitizenWarrior.com and other sites, I've seen many comments by Muslims trying to tell non-Muslims that Islam is really a peaceful religion and that the terrorists have it all wrong. A friend of mine I've known for years is an ex-Muslim, who grew up in a Muslim country, and even he has told me Islamic terrorists don't understand the "true" teachings of Islam.
This article is my response. This is a message to Muslims who want to convince non-Muslims that Islam is a religion of peace.
My main message is: Please stop. We are trying to defeat the Jihadis here, and when you tell non-Muslims that message, you aren't helping the cause. You're actually hindering it. I'll explain how in a minute.
If you peaceful Muslims are trying to defend your religious beliefs, I think most people would understand and sympathize with your motives. But by doing it here, what have you accomplished? Have you helped our cause (thwarting Islam's relentless encroachment)? No. All you've done is try to convince us Islam is great.
You need to understand the effect of your defense on the non-Muslim mind. If you want to end Islamic terrorism, and if you understood what effect you had, you would stop defending your faith to infidels.
Because even if we all believed you, so what? Even if you successfully convinced us Islam is really a religion of peace, what difference would it make? Does it help us defeat Jihadis? No, not at all. We have terrorists quoting the Koran (urging Muslims to kill infidels) and we have other Muslims saying the Koran is only about peace. Where does that leave us? You've replaced clarity with confusion. You've replaced resolve with hesitation. And to that degree, you've given Jihadis the upper hand.
This is a deadly serious business, and this seemingly insignificant issue is the crucial pivoting point. Knowing how and why your enemy wants to destroy you is an enormous advantage in a global war in which many hundreds of thousands have already lost their lives.
Peaceful Muslims, I ask you to hear this: You make non-Muslims less able to defend themselves by going on these websites and justifying your religion to them.
Part of what makes the issue confusing for westerners is that we don't know if you're sincere or if you're trying to deceive us. Many terrorists exclaim vehemently that Islam is a religion of peace. But when they say it, they are trying to trick non-Muslims and confuse us while they continue their jihad against us (or what they mean is: as soon as Islam conquers all countries, the world will be at peace, so therefore, Islam is a religion of peace).
But my feeling is that most of the Muslims who have written to me are actually sincere, peace-loving, non-terrorist Muslims who have no interest in blowing up infidels. My friend is one of those. He is perfectly sincere.
If you are one of those sincerely peaceful Muslims, I know you have explained away the violent parts of the Koran terrorists often quote. And good for you. I'm glad you have. You had a teacher who convinced you jihad is really an inner struggle. And that's great. The teacher provided you with the complex mental maneuvers you need to see the Koran as a peaceful document. Thank you for ignoring the violent parts of Islamic teachings, and I hope you always will.
But you are doing harm and causing confusion by telling infidels you know the "true teachings" of Islam. The Jihadis aren't listening to unorthodox teachers. Jihadis are fundamentalists. They are strongly against any moderation or editing or modernizing of Islamic texts.
It doesn't really matter that you have somehow explained away Allah's commands to kill all the infidels — the Jihadis have not explained it away! They make the more direct assumption that if Allah said it, He must have meant it.
You think the Jihadis who quote the Koran are wrong. And you believe the fundamentalists running Iran, Syria, Pakistan, the Sudan, and Saudi Arabia don't really know what Islam is all about. Okay, fine. Does that help us defeat terrorism now that we know that? Not one little bit.
But when infidels get a good idea of what is actually in the Koran, and when they learn about the Islamic principles of deceit and pretext, and when we find out the goal and purpose of the Islamic faith, and when we learn about the methods Jihadis use to infiltrate and destroy, then we infidels are better able to protect ourselves. It's like finding out the plans of an enemy during war. It helps tremendously to anticipate what they're going to do and to understand their motives. This knowledge improves our ability to defend ourselves against it.
But when a seemingly sincere Muslim comes along and says no, that's not the "true" Islam and you've got it all wrong, many infidels will be confused and not know what to believe, so they will take no action. A confused mind is hesitant to act. They will not know the best way to proceed, and they'll be like a deer in headlights, frozen and paralyzed with uncertainty.
The reason non-Muslims are so easily confused is that most of us don't realize the difference between the Koran and every other religious book we are familiar with. The Christian Bible is a collection of writings from various authors, written sometimes hundreds of years apart, with parables, laws, advice, history, and dreams, all collected together into one book. Those of us in the West who are not Christians are still familiar enough with these religions to know this much, and to assume the same is true of the Koran.
But as you are fully aware, the Koran is one book, written by one man in his own lifetime. It can be (and often is) taken quite literally, and is obviously meant to be taken literally (I've read the Koran myself cover-to-cover). It isn't full of symbolism or vague analogies. It is mostly direct commands.
The Koran contains contradictory statements like other religious books, but the Koran itself provides the reader with a way to know what to do with contradictions. In the Koran, it says if you have two passages that contradict each other, the one written later supersedes the one written earlier. A passage written later abrogates (makes null and void) passages written earlier that contradict it. It says so right there in the Koran.
Most westerners don't know this. And they are unaware that the peaceful, tolerant passages were written early in Mohammad's prophetic career. According to the Koran, those passages have been overwritten by later, more violent, less tolerant passages.
So when most westerners hear Jihadis quoting violent passages from the Koran, and then peaceful Muslims quoting peaceful passages, they interpret that the way they would if someone was quoting the Christian Bible. They think to themselves, "Oh, there must be many different and contradictory passages, like there are in other religious books, so Muslims can pick and choose what they like, and justify whatever actions they want to take."
Of course, you Muslims know the Koran is nothing like that. There is no picking and choosing. The Koran itself says very explicitly and in no uncertain terms that a Muslim must not alter or ignore any part of its very clear and direct message or they will burn in a fiery torment forever.
If you don't like me saying all this, I am truly sorry, but we non-Muslims need to know what's really happening. This is too serious to be overly concerned with tiptoeing around anyone's feelings.
I'm trying to tell my fellow westerners what Islamic terrorists are up to. They are following the Koran to the letter, as it says in the Koran a faithful Muslim must do. And their overarching goal is to make an Islamic state out of every country in the world. And the Koran tells them in no uncertain terms that they are justified in using violence, deceit, and pretext to accomplish their holy duty. My fellow westerners need to know this or they are fish in a barrel — vulnerable and defenseless.
In the Koran, Allah makes it clear that man-made governments (such as a democracy) and free speech (such as criticizing the Koran) are abominations and must be eliminated.
Right now, Muslims are immigrating into our western democracies holding and cherishing these values and goals, and most of my fellow westerners are completely naive about it. One of the reasons they are so naive is that peaceful Muslims keep trying to defend their interpretation of the Koran as the "real" interpretation.
Think about this. Who is better able to defend themselves from a determined and deadly enemy?1. A person who believes the enemy is peaceful? or...
2. A person who knows the plans, intentions, and motivations of the enemy, and knows his tactics?
Obviously, number two will be more capable of protecting themselves. And all the plans, motivations, intentions (and many of the tactics) of today's Jihadis can be found in the Koran.
Our situation puts both infidels and peaceful Muslims in a difficult position. It's not your fault, and it's not our fault. We've been put in this position by those who wage violent jihad against the West.
Partly because of your messages, and partly because my fellow westerners aren't taking the time to read the Koran for themselves, they are confused by all these seemingly contradictory messages. Is Islam a religion of peace or isn't it? What's the real story? Is this all propaganda? Is it prejudice and hatred? Is this bigotry? Islamophobia? And westerners will default to assuming Islam must be a religion of peace, because they believe all religions are really peaceful.
What should you peaceful Muslims do when you want to argue against a non-Muslim? What can you do when you want to defend your peaceful version of Islam?
The first thing you can do is make it clear to us infidels that you are a believer in a new, modified form of Islam. You can tell us yes, there are many passages in the Koran that encourage violence against infidels but you think these passages should be ignored by modern Muslims. That would really help clarify things for non-Muslims. Be out front about it.
You can also openly criticize Jihadis for not moderating or modernizing the teachings of Mohammad. This would help all the non-Muslims understand what is happening and who we should consider enemies and friends. It would help non-Muslims understand the "civil war" going on within Islam itself.
You should quote the violent passages and say you think all Muslims should ignore those passages.
I know it takes courage to openly criticize either the Jihadis or the Koran. You're putting your own life at risk, no matter where you live (because the penalty for criticizing the religion of peace is death). It is much easier to defend your beliefs by justifying your religion to infidels. But that doesn't solve the problem. It makes things worse.
If you are committed to defeating Islamic terrorism while at the same time justifying your version of Islam, you can expend your energy convincing young Muslim men to follow your way rather than the Jihadis' way. Right now, Jihadis are successfully persuading young men to follow the strict Islamic (violent) path. What can you do to recruit young men to your path? That has a chance of actually solving the problem.
I said earlier it doesn't really matter that you have explained away the violent passages of the Koran (because terrorists haven't) but that's not entirely true. In a way, it does matter, and it is wonderful that you have modified the Koran's teachings to be more peaceful.
But to end the cycle, you'll have to go one step further and declare outright that the Koran is not the word of Allah. If you've modified or ignored any part of the Koran, you're acting as if it is not the perfect word of Allah. So admit it openly.
If you secretly admit the Koran is not perfect, but keep saying it is perfect, you open the way for the next generation of Muslims to rebel against your "modified" teachings by becoming fundamentalists. They will see you as a hypocrite who says "the Koran is perfect," but who ignores half of the teachings.
Please think about this. You must try to understand that as a westerner, when we look at the problem of Islamic terrorism, it looks like a large number of militant factions, all with different names and goals and grievances, and there is no clear idea of what is going on or what to do about it, or even how to approach the problem.
But each of the different Islamic factions are all using the same book. They are basing their goals on what is in that book. They are using the methods described in the book. What they are willing to do and how they will do it is all based on what is in that book.
Infidels can look in the book and discover what they're up to, what their motives are, and what specific tactics they'll use. Those of us trying to defeat or at least reduce terrorist incidents are trying to alert our fellow non-Muslims about the situation. And if everyone knew about it — if all the non-Muslims simply read the Koran cover-to-cover — they would suddenly understand the situation in a whole new way, and Islamic terrorism would be in serious danger of extinction from that point on.
But your message to non-Muslims basically tells us: The answer is not in the Koran. Look anywhere else for answers. Just don't look in the Koran.
And what has happened? Non-Muslims don't know what to do or where to look for answers. And to that degree, you, the peaceful Muslims, have helped the Jihadis do their job, even if you didn't mean to. You've helped perpetuate violence in the world. Jihadis will keep immigrating into western democracies with their murderous plans while the non-Muslims are unaware of what's happening — blinded and confused by their own multiculturalism combined with your constant assurances that Islam really is a religion of peace.
The Jihadis will keep expressing their different grievances (as pretexts for war) and the hand-wringing, kind-hearted westerners will keep trying to make concessions, never suspecting they are being duped with a vengeance. And the violence and political invasion will go on and on.
We've got to stop it, and you peaceful Muslims are one of the keys to our success. That's the end of my message to peaceful Muslims.
I have a message for you non-Muslims, as well. You should do your best to read the Koran yourself. This would really help you clarify the situation.
And finally, I have a message to those deceitful Jihadis who try to convince us Islam is a religion of peace. When enough people know about your plans and methods, your deceit will no longer work. Scams and cons lose their effectiveness once they are well-known. Your days are numbered. We will reveal your plans. We will choke off your sources of money. We will help give Koran-modifying Muslims a voice. And you will have to stop blowing things up and get a real job.

45 comments:
Wow. Excellent article. I hope 'moderate' Muslims read it. I'll link to this from my blog. Everybody interested in our current war should read it.
Thank you, snowman.
Now I have something to send every time I get an email or comment from a Muslim trying to quote me chapter and verse and explaining how the Koran really is all about peace. I was hoping to write something all of us could use.
Great job, CW. I'm with Snowman on this.
Excellent post.
Here's some fuel for the fire:
http://amillennialist.blogspot.com/
2004/07/allah-and-his-false-prophet-
command.html
Pleading to moderate Muslims to effectively denounce their Holy Book, will never work. Why, precisely because they are still Muslims and can utilize the option of Ta Takiyya where considered appropriate whether out of devotion, enforced loyalty as a result of ultimatum or genuine attempts at deception based on hate of the Infidel. (Incidently, the word ' Infidel' really means a Muslim, originally coined by the Christian Crusaders). We need to take it back.
Furthermore, it is not possible to discard sections of one's Holy Book and retain others.
Either the whole belief system is discarded or it is reinforced in its entirety.
Sorry, the only way to defeat an enemy is to play it at its own game. The end result being to instil fear and brutal repression.
Ask yourself, how did this theocracy arrive at its present state of potency?
I'd say the best way to defeat an enemy is to use everything at our disposal, including repression, the use of force, the education and motivation of people on OUR side, and the conversion of whoever is on the other side but on the fence, legal means, political action, persuasion of our friends, dialog and conversation among us to clarify the issue, etc.
we can look at it any way we want. but truth be told we are in a holy war. We are not without sin here, our forebears helped create this.
All in the name of what was right at the time, or most politically expedient.
The monster is created now like it or not we must kill it. Its ideology literally,metaphorically and quite possibly physically... there will be blood and our hands wont stay clean...
I like you CW. Honestly... you write very well. Among the better ones I have come across.
Keep up the good work.
I will be referencing some of your works in the future, hope you don't mind. Will link back.
Oh yes... here is a related article about what happens in "so called" moderate Malaysia.
http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/02/malaysias-moderate-islam-means-racism.html
Thank you, Surind Raj. I don't mind at all.
Great article!! Keep up the fight!!
Moderate Muslims? No such thing,they are all part of the same sick organism.The only way to deal with a disease is to destroy it,as soon as possible.No mercy to the Muslim invaders!!!
(Linkback)
http://surind.blogspot.com/2009/06/tehran-univesity-students-abused-killed.html
Linkback:
"Islam & Islamic Terrorism in Australia & the (so called) Moderate Australian Muslims"
http://surind.blogspot.com/2009/08/islam-islamic-terrorism-jihad-in.html
(Linkback) & interesting topic & kinda similiar discussion/debate going on here:
http://pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com/2009/08/few-samples-of-quranic-contradictions.html
Dear Surind Raj
I can't find, in my copy of the Koran, anything like your statement "A passage written later abrogates passages written earlier that contradict it." Nor does the Koran even give any dates to any of its chapters. Please quote the chapter and verse of the Koran where you claim this statement occurs.
Dear Anonymous et. all,
Please note that I am not the founder of, or writer in this blog.
Moving, on. Some/many of your answers and queries (for everyone) about this issue, can be found at the links below. I have included links from Islamic websites as well, in an attempt to be fair and open.
For the non biased (basically non-Muslims/religious, cause we all know whom full of bias/& selective thinking these people are), and those non-taqiyya (agents of deceit, manipulation, confusion) practising Muslims, they will see the truths for themselves.... and realise why religion(especially Islam), is the worst thing we can give the idiots of every generation.
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/quran.htm#H
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/abrogatedverses.html
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Farooq_Ibrahim/abrogation.htm
http://blog.minaret.org/?p=217
http://www.mostmerciful.com/abrogation-and-substitution.htm
I have also included 3 links here, about Islam & apostasy & Jihad. Those with developed mental faculties reading this, will also be able to see why "this" is a very dangerous thing to put in the hands of the idiots born in every generation - basically the extremists, fundamentalists, those with great ambitions of power (politics, ummahs, etc.).
http://talkislam.info/2009/08/18/the-bizarre-hadith-of-bukhari-and-abu-da/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/012-apostasy.htm
http://www.newsmax.com/tawfik_hamid/islam_jihad_muslims_/2009/09/01/254881.html
Dear Surind Raj, OR the writer of the claim that the Koran states ""A passage written later abrogates passages written earlier that contradict it." or ANYONE:
No thanks I don't want to wade thru half a dozen websites. I asked a very simple question - what is the Chapter and verse number of this statement which you claim is in the Koran?
Your evasion is apparently an admission that the claim is false. I suggest you remove it if you want readers to give any credibility to this site.
Btw I am a Christian, not a Muslim as you presumed.
Anonymous, the chapter you're looking for is Sura 2, verse 106. It says, "Whenever We abrogate a verse, or cause it to be forgotten, We will bring a better one, or one similar to it. Don't you know that Allah is capable of doing all things?"
Muslim scholars down through the ages have used this verse to sort out the contradictory statements in the Qur'an. They know the order of the Surahs. They know in what order they were written. So when they come across a passage that contradicts another passage, they simply look to see which was written later. The later one overwrites the earlier one when they are in conflict. It's pretty simple and straightforward.
Here is more about abrogation: Definition of Abrogation.
Those words quoted by CW, were right on the top of the 1st or 2nd link I sent ya.
Honestly, I wonder what are your motivations/intention in asking that question & I doubt & have my speculations about your background as well... btw, I'm a Pastafarian! (so what!)
Bottom line, is that Islam (& people, prophets, leaders, mullahs, teachers, etc. attached to it) has its violent parts/values/philosophies/dogma, and any scholar of comparitive religion will tell you that.
I should know, as I did that for my undergrad and have gone through hundreds of books in my lifetime.
There is nothing in the Qu'ran about stoning for example, but there is nothing that condemns/bans or says it is wrong either. Either way it is still prevalent in many Muslim/Islamic nations & states. Below the surface, it is ultimately all about authority, control/wealth/feudalism, power, fear, manipulation, etc.
...and the example of Mohammad.
In response to an Internet article about the Fort Hood killings recently a Muslim posted the following. My response to him is in the comment after this.
It is easy to bash Islam with such senseless Murderous incident, However... The Quran does not tell Muslims to hurt non Muslims. This guy is nuts, not to excuse him. But there are Muslim nuts.. hundreds or may be thousands. But there are 1.3 billion muslim in this world. I mean the radicals are about .000001 as a percent.
Do not forget the oppression, torture, misery most Muslim live under.
It is impossible to change some peoples views. Every thing that can be said about muslims will go through a filter of prejudice.
I am Muslim. I am an observant muslim but have no desire to hurt anybody. When Jews escaped persecutioni Europe, many found refuge among Muslims in Turkey and Morocco. The prophet Mohammad formed an alliance with Christians and Jews. There are large Christians (such as copts in Egypt) minorities who lived in Muslim countries forever. They did not kill them. according to the commonly accepted narrative about Muslims.
You are reading Translation of the Quran, many are deliberately distorted to enforce Anti Muslim "Narrative" about Islam propagated by people who colonized Africa and Mideast to "educate" Muslims. Many Quranic citations taken out of context. Of course there Muslim criminals and crazies like all other groups. But the Quran did not tell me to kill my American friends, I lived here for twenty five years. I wish my Non muslim friends happy holiday each Christmas. I go to their homes, door to door. A couple of million Muslims live in the US. My Father in law was a proud Marine. Two Hundred of us died in the 9/11 WTC attack. Tens of us joined the military after 9/11 and many died for America. Stop the prejudice. It does not help.
MY Reply to previous comment:
Peaceia85, as inoffensive and pleasant as your Alternet ID sounds, you are delusional, an apologist, and are allowing the floodgates of hate that thrive under the veil of Islam to remain, flourish, and fester with your arbitrary, unproven, totally improvised statistical data and misinformation. In addition, you completely miss the true source of the misery suffered by and inflicted upon Muslims, the religion itself. As long as you can control 1.3 billion and growing numbers of "believers" like little children, to fear the "wrath of Allah" and with promises of Disneyland-like paradise, or perhaps an X-rated version of the same, who all look forward to at least once in their lives travelling to Mecca to mindlessly walk in circles like lemmings around a chunk of black stone that pagans used to worship before Islam even existed, and the people willingly believe this nonsense, then you can get them to do any freaking thing.
Just look. If things were so great back where your family is from, then why didn't they stay there? If they are truly good Muslims, shouldn't they be trying to improve conditions for their brothers back home, bringing peace, democracy and prosperity to their lands, instead of running away and thriving and profiting from the decadence and temptations of infidel Western countries?
So according to you "...there are 1.3 billion muslim in this world. I mean the radicals are about .000001 as a percent." This means there are only 1,300 Muslims causing all the problems. Really? So why don't the pacifist Muslims who vastly outnumber these 1,300 neutralize them? Just arrest them or round them up and bury them up to their heads in sand and have a good old fashioned Sharia stoning of them in the name of Allah.
It's not remotely nearly so simple or minor an issue as you pretend. And your sophomoric dismissal of it is not only naive, it is insidious, vile, reprehensible and truly evil. For this sick attitude is what is softening public opinion in Western society (the "pacifist" Muslims love to take advantage of weak-minded and self-proclaimed big-hearted liberals in Western society with these pseudo-humanist approaches), and it has allowed us to be increasingly infiltrated by demented radicals who control sheepish masses in mosques who believe these imams, ayatollahs, and muftis are divinely inspired and speak the truth. You and your type are opening the portals of hell and inviting all these demons to infect Western civilization. Well, here's a message: we won't go down without a fight, and as Muslims keep on bringing their god into the picture, watch out! Wait till the frothing fundamentals here start bringing their god and rallying the ever-growing, impatient masses. You want a crusade to justify your frozen in time 14th century ideology? You might just get what you've been praying for.
http://www.alternet.org/media/143779/focusing_on_ft._hood_killer's_beliefs_are_an_easy_out_to_avoid_the_deeper_reasons_for_the_massacre/?comments=view&cID=1362430&pID=1362050#c1362430
thank you for posting.. i am an ex muslim living in Turkey, i see their hypocrisy obviously.. they are raping children while defending peaceful islam... are we stupid or blind?
Some are stupid, some are blind, and some have just not yet been reached. That is who we must focus on: Those who don't yet know.
Am I missing the point, or stating the obvious?
If in the Qu'ran, one writing is replaced with another that contradicts it, then one of the writings must be in error.
If the second writing contradicts, and replaces the first writing, and the later one is deemed to be correct, then the earlier writing is in error.
As the Qu'ran is supposedly the inspired word of Allah, then Allah has corrected mistakes. Allah is capable of mistakes, and is therefore not perfect.
Are there no Moslems intelligent enough to see this?
Catwoman,
The wording of the Qur'an is very clever. It doesn't say the earlier passages are wrong. It says the new passages are better. And Muslims have taken that to mean they are both correct, but when one conflicts with the other, the newer one trumps the older one.
This means that they CAN actually act peaceful toward non-Muslims when it is in Islam's best interest to do so. These contradictions have served the interests of Jihadis and these ostensibly contradictory passages are considered by Jihadis to be an example of Allah's cleverness.
CW, I think you've missed the point, which is truth. If Islam is peace and love, if it is true, then let it prosper and let its advocates advocate. But if the peaceful Muslims are wrong, then that is the reason - the only reason - why they should desist.
Peaceful Muslims need to be encouraged not to keep quiet, but to do their own homework concerning the true nature of Islam. That's an entirely different direction.
Citizen Warrior,
You seem like a professional writer and educator, in the best sense. Something very unique about your work and perspective. Remarkable how you manage to take the positions you do, without animus or a dark quality. Instead, you maintain a breezy, educational, almost light tone throughout. The writing seems designed to be so useful to readers, as if you were writing how-to articles for some popular major national magazine. Your style is very convincing, and the lightness of tone conveys an atmosphere of sanity. It's also probably the best tone to take when trying to educate novices and the uncommitted and the non-ideological, who often shy away from intensity as being out-of-tune with themselves or a sign of something wrong. Yours is a great model to follow. Maybe there's hope for the resistance after all...Thank you, and I hope you'll be able to keep going with this.
Thanks, Ed. I appreciate that.
In an interview entitled, Growth of Muslim population in non-Muslim countries is serious threat, Robert Spencer was asked, "How many Muslims in the world, do you think, are 'moderate Muslims?'"
Spencer replied: "It depends on how one defines 'moderate.' If by it you mean those who are not engaged in violent jihad, then the number is huge. If you mean those who actively disapprove of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism in general, and are working against the jihad imperative, the number is minuscule."
Can anyone please make me understand the following:
The Koran (Qu'aran)is supposedly the word of Allah (God)as transmitted through Mohammed via Gabriel.
History shows that Mohammed married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9 (pre-puberty). This goes against nature itself - no matter what era your living in. Mohammed had 22 wives. Mohammed slaughtered hundreds of Jews (beheading them). Mohammed changes the laws (rules) to suit him whenever he choose. Basically Mohammed behaved as a warlord once he had the power to do so.
So why would anyone want to follow this as an ideal example?? I am totally mystified why anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can't see this for what it is??
That is an excellent question. Why would anyone follow Mohammad?
The answers are many. First of all, the laws strongly support staying Muslim. The penalty for apostasy in a Muslim country is death. That is Sharia law.
Within a Muslim community anywhere in the world, even in free countries, it is still considered a horrible sin to leave Islam.
So as people have children, they pass on their identity as a Muslim, even if they do not follow the teachings whatsoever. These children, thinking of themselves as Muslims, are of course good candidates for recruitment by orthodox Muslims who tell the teenagers, "Do you know what's in the Quran? You call yourself a Muslim, but do you practice your faith? Your parents are hypocrites! Read the Quran and do your duty as a believing Muslim."
To discover all the reasons Islam has become so successful, read The Terrifying Brilliance of Islam.
Also, it says in the Quran over seventy times that a Muslim must follow the example of Mohammad. The penalty for not following Mohammad's example is eternal torment in hell.
Also, it is actually forbidden for a Muslim to THINK anything critical of Mohammad or Islam.
Moderation is the enemy of any extremist. They thrive in a black-and-white world. This post agrees with the vision of extremistic Muslims: either you're a Muslim or you're a non-Muslim. This post states that a good Muslim is not relevant, because it does not fit in this black-and-white world.
Not a good muslim, but Citizen Warrior is helping the extremistic Islam to grow.
Saying that not the extremists but the Islam itself is the problem, you are creating a western version of the Jihad. "So you Muslims want Jihad? Fine, we can do that as well! I will declare myself a warrior."
Good luck with it.
Mike
Mike,
To think that what a non-Muslim says about Islam will change a believing Muslim's world view is absurd.
In other words, imagine Amhed, a peaceloving "Muslim in name only" (MINO) who thinks Islam means peace. He's a nice guy. He's never read the Quran, but his parents were Muslims, so he considers himself a Muslim.
And then he reads some non-Muslim blogger saying the "true" Muslims are those who are intolerant toward non-Muslims. Will Ahmed become intolerant toward non-Muslims now?
Don't hold your breath. I know enough MINOs to know they are not influenced by anything I say. They think I just don't understand.
If you are a Christian, would you be influenced by a Muslim telling you what Christians believe? Or telling you what it says in the Bible?
Mike, what your criticism says is that what I write will influence Muslims who are against violence to BECOME violent.
Not only do I have almost no impact on Muslim beliefs because I am a non-Muslim, but my AUDIENCE is almost entirely non-Muslims. My job here is to alert the millions of non-Muslims living in free countries to the basic and often surprising teachings of mainstream Islam. These are teachings which are being actively hidden by Muslims who have actually read the Quran because they reveal a political plan that works best when the non-Muslims don't have a clue.
So what you're asking me to do is to be silent on the slim chance that something I say will influence a Muslim to become intolerant, while at the same time leaving all the non-Muslims I might have reached in the dark.
Hmmm. Let me see...
Nah. I don't think so.
Hi Citizen Warrior,
Thank You for answering my query. I appreciate your ability to articulate a position in this most important subject. I am in full agreement that the main reason that Islam continues to flourish is because of the fear of retribution if you don't follow the party line. The only way to defeat Islam will be through education and resistance. Unfortunately, the West is still tripping over itself trying not to "offend" anyone in the cause of Political Correctness".
I'm not the brighest light in the chandelier but it is glaringly obvious to me that Islam is not going away and will ruin/take over our Countries (USA/Canada)if our leaders don't grow a backbone and say enough is enough.
If it were up to me I would not allow Islam into our countries - period. I would close immigration to only those with Christian - Judeo backgrounds. If that makes me a racist/bigot then that's what I am.
I don't want to see a birka or hijab when I walk down the street. I don't want a woman fully clothed swimming in a public pool. I don't want a womans nose and ears cut off because she ran away when she couldn't stand being molested by men any longer.
I don't care if you are black/white or sky blue pink. People are entitled to their freedom and equality. It is an individuals choice to give those up. It shouldn't be stolen from you via brainwashing from day one. As a parent you should educate your child to all the possibilities in life and then as they get older and learn they can choose for themselves. This will never happen in Islam.
Sorry for ranting and diverging here and there. But I am so tired of people being taken advantage of by those who are "educated" enough to exploit them. This worls needs a real God and not the make believe one of Islam.
So what you are telling a moderate muslim, which makes up the mass-majority of all muslims, is this:
-Eventually we won't bother with niceties and just kill all muslims.
-What you believe is not islam, and we will refuse to believe you.
-either stop being a muslim, or die
this isn't that different from what the most extremist of the jihadi muslims do is it?
You've made an awefully big leap there.
No, what I'm saying to peace-loving Muslims is, "Please stop interfering with my attempt to educate my fellow non-Muslims about the teachings of orthodox Islam that politically active and dangerous Muslims are following."
"But as you are fully aware, the Koran is one book, written by one man in his own lifetime." your point here is wrong CW. The Quran is not written by "one man" or any other men. The Quran is sent by God to the prophet.
As always rite on the mark." you can lead a horse to water ".........
Someone emailed this:
It occurred to me that we might use the following thought with our "moderate" Muslim friends and neighbors who've moved to the USA for money, jobs, education, peace, opportunity, freedom, etc.
If they still believe Islam is truly peaceful and the radicals are just a small percentage of the total Muslim population, they should use their newfound freedom to help us push back the tide of radical aggression. If they don't, and we are unable to STOP the radicals, we will ALL be living in the environment they thought they'd left behind: one of fear, ignorance, poverty, government control, violence, injustice, torture, hardships, hopelessness...
This is another classic of yours!!!
Great article, mate. I'm going to show this to all my friends and hope they help me in the war against all religions - not just Islam. I've never really forgiven religion after the Godra incident in Gujarat, India, or the Black Friday bombings in Mumbai.
I can't trust them so don't you dare ask me to! I read it and I don't like it just like I don't like any cult!
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