If the Majority of Muslims Are Peaceloving People, Do We Really Have Anything to Worry About?

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On one side of the debate, we have people who say, "The majority of Muslims are peaceloving people." The implication is that because of this, we can all just relax, because the growing presence of Muslim people in our midst is not a problem. On the other side, we have people who say Islam is a totalitarian, aggressive ideology that has already made inroads into Western countries with the aim of usurping our governments and replacing our laws with Sharia.

It's possible both sides are correct. Let me explain.

First of all, I think everyone can agree that there are a few dedicated jihadists who commit violence in the name of Islam. They are not "peaceloving people" by anyone's definition but their own. They may think of themselves as peaceloving because they think that once the whole world has submitted to the rule of Islam, the world will be at peace. But the methods they use to achieve that peace are car bombs, beheadings, and flying planes into buildings.

There are also a number of Muslims committed to forcing Sharia law on the world by rioting and the threat of riots. These are the ones who protest and riot when a Danish cartoonist publishes cartoons about Muhammad, for example. The ensuing riots killed 187 people. It is a violation of Muslim morality to draw Muhammad or to criticize him, and the violence intimidated many others in Western democracies into restraining themselves from re-publishing those cartoons, and in this way, the threat of violence enforced Sharia law on Western democracies.

The same thing happened with Draw Muhammad Day on Facebook, and with the pastor who burned a Koran. The violence and threat of violence by Muslims around the world affected the behavior of people in free countries, curtailing their freedom. The end result is the enforcement of Sharia law in Western democracies — not by changing what is written in the lawbooks, but by scaring people into doing what orthodox Muslims insist non-Muslims must do.

The people doing the rioting may, in fact, be "peaceloving people" in their daily lives in the opinion of everyone who knows them. It could be argued that everyone has a breaking point; anyone can lose their temper if the offense is great enough, and perhaps they love their Prophet or their Koran so much, that criticizing him or burning it was just too much for them to stand, so they went berserk, but really they are just normal, peaceloving Muslims in the rest of their lives.

Another sizable percentage of Muslims are dedicated to legally and nonviolently gaining concessions for Islam within Western democracies. They are pressing for halal food in public schools, pressing for Islamic limits on free speech (pressing for censorship in the media so Islam is never criticized — see some examples here). They are doing it in individual countries, and they're also doing it at the UN. The Organization of the Islamic Conference is the largest voting block in the UN and they are putting pressure on the rest of the countries to impose worldwide limits on free speech — the kind of limits Islamic law demands.

All these people working for the legal imposition of Sharia law may very well be peaceloving people.

A very large percentage of Muslims do not protest against the violent ones. Silence implies consent, usually, but they may keep silent out of fear. The violent ones are, of course, capable of violence, and peaceloving people could be afraid to speak out in protest against such violence in the name of Islam. And they may not feel that they have an ideological leg to stand on since the violence is sanctioned by Islamic doctrine and protesting against that violence is prohibited by it.

Another large percentage pay their zakat — it is a mandatory tithe to the mosque. This money is often used for charity (to help Muslims, according to Sharia law, and never to help non-Muslims). This money also sometimes goes to fund jihad. The people paying the zakat may be considered peaceloving people by most standard definitions.

Another group of Muslims are creating avenues for "Sharia finance," which also gives a certain percentage of that money to Islamic charities, some of which also fund jihad. Those who put their money in Sharia financial institutions or pay the fees could be peaceloving people, even though they are, wittingly or unwittingly, helping to finance the killing or subjugation of non-Muslims.

A sizable percentage of Muslims, according to polls, wish to have some measure of Sharia law, including things like Islamic limits on free speech and the death penalty for apostates (Muslims who leave Islam). In some places, a majority of the Muslims feel this way. But they do not commit any violence themselves and would be considered by many as peaceloving people.

When Muslims immigrate to Western democracies, they often form "enclaves" — whole areas where primarily Muslims live. The larger the number of Muslims in the area, the more hostile some of them are to the non-Muslims living there, so those non-Muslims move away. More and more Muslims move to the area until it becomes, for all intents and purposes, a small Muslim state within a Western democracy.

These enclaves are creating "no-go zones" where legitimate law-enforcement officers are reluctant to go, or where legitimate government authorities bend to the Muslims' demands (for fear of violent reprisals). There are more enclaves and no-go zones in Western democracies with every passing year in Sweden, France, Germany, and many other European countries. The United States just got its first Muslim enclave.

Wherever Muslims gain a sizable majority, the most dedicated among them begin pushing for local manifestations of Sharia law.

But it would probably be correct to say that most of the people who move to a Muslim enclave from a Muslim country are peaceloving people. They are just families who are moving to an area where they have relatives, and they want nothing more than to raise their children and be happy.

Let us assume they don't know much about Islamic doctrine, and even if they do, they have chosen to quietly ignore the violent or political parts of it. They are still unwittingly helping to accomplish Islam's prime directive in many ways — they are helping those who are actively trying to convert Western democracies into Islamic states — even if they don't mean to.

Muslims around the world have lots of children. Some of them immigrate to Western democracies and go on welfare, so the raising of their children is being paid for by the non-Muslim taxpayers. But most of these people are probably not violent. They raise their children, telling them that they are Muslims and that the Koran is the word of Allah, but they don't explain to their children the political mandates of Islamic doctrine.

When the kids become teenagers, some of them are susceptible to recruitment by the more orthodox (politically active or violent) Muslims because the teenager has already been primed — a primary identity they have is "I am a Muslim" and the recruiter only has to say, "read your Koran and discover your obligations." And so we see that second-generation Muslims in Western democracies are more likely to become jihadists than their parents, even though their parents are peaceloving people.

This is another way peaceloving Muslims are unwittingly helping jihadists accomplish their mission.

Another couple of groups I should mention are Muslim leaders and oil billionaires. There are quite a few prominent Muslim leaders who exhort their followers to pursue Islam's prime directive. These are not isolated leaders with little influence and few followers. These are heads of state and influencial people with huge numbers of followers (read more about them here).

And there are Muslim billionaires (primarily Saudi Wahhabis) who are pouring their money into building mosques and madrassas all over the world. They fund 90 percent of the world's Islamic institutions. Unfortunately, they are promoting Wahhabism, which is a branch of orthodox Islam — dedicated to jihad; dedicated to Islam's prime directive; dedicated to eliminating all democracies and establishing Islamic law for all people. This is not as impossible as it sounds. The world is far more Islamic today than it was even 20 years ago.

These oil billionaires have built and maintain most of the mosques in the United States and Canada, for example, and 80 percent of these mosques are actively promoting jihad (read more about that here). Promoting the violent overthrow of the government by jihad or any other means is against the law, but it is overridden by the protection of religious freedom. Because the jihad they preach is not extraneous to their religious teachings, but inherent in them, freedom of religion has protected them.

The oil billionaires and the Muslim leaders may have never done anything violent in their lives, and may only want a peaceful Islamic world, so they may be "peaceloving people" by most peoples' definitions.

One final idea we should consider is that it doesn't take a majority to cause serious trouble, which means that if the majority of Muslims are peaceful, it would be irrelevant (read more about that here).

So let's get back to our original question: If the vast majority of Muslims are peaceloving people, do non-Muslims really have anything to worry about?

Yes we do.

22 comments:

Anonymous 1:01 AM  

There are many non-moslems who don't need to worry because they have either willingly or unwilingly integrated with moslems, either out of choice, convenience or out of no choice or out of socalled personal enrichment.
It is us disadvantaged minority nonbelievers who have nothing with common with moslems, who have seen their true nasty colours and who have to live uneasily with their inconsistent islamic culture, have something to worry about.

WLIL

Anonymous 3:35 AM  

Citizen Warrior, you have a way of writing with such lucidity!

What a brilliant article!

Psychologically, if you just stay silent as a Muslim, not speaking out against the Islamic violence, if Islam succeeds in becoming more and more powerful globally, will you not benefit as well?

Of course you will, you will have more power than the non-Muslims by simply being Muslim!

During the era of Apartheid South Africa, a majority of White South Africans were not rabid (racial) supremacists … but they benefited by simply being White!

So too in the potentially emerging era of Islamic Supremacism (a more pervasive form of Apartheid) a majority of Muslims, even if not rabid (religious) supremacists will benefit by simply being Muslim!

Been there, seen it – supremacism, in whatever form it is packaged, is the same Evil, and benefits some at the expense of others.

Anonymous 5:38 AM  

a peacful muslim spoke this story and said this is Mohammed and not the one described by haters. He is peaceful and had peaceful taquiyaa story!:

Telling the truth is a very good habit. If you always speak the truth, you can save yourselves from lots of trouble!

Here is the story of a man, who did a lot of bad things, but his promise to tell the truth saved him.This is a true story, so read it carefully.

Once a man came to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and said, “Oh Prophet of Allah, I have many bad habits. Which one of them should I give up first?”

The Prophet said, “Give up telling lies first and always speak the truth.” The man promised to do so and went home.

At night the man was about to go out to steal. Before setting out, he thought for a moment about the promise he made with the Prophet. “If tomorrow the Prophet asks me where have I been, what shall I say?

Shall I say that I went out stealing? No, I cannot say that. But nor can I lie. If I tell the truth, everyone will start hating me and call me a thief. I would be punished for stealing.”

So the man decided not to steal that night, and gave up this bad habit.

Next day, he felt like drinking wine, when he was about to do so, he said to himself, “What shall I say to the prophet if he asks me what did I do during the day? I cannot tell a lie, and if I speak the truth people will hate me, because a Muslim is not allowed to drink wine.”

And so he gave up the idea of drinking wine.



In this way, whenever the man thought of doing something bad, he remembered his promise to tell the truth at all times. One by one, he gave up all his bad habits and became a good Muslim and a very good person.

Angela 3:04 AM  

Great post! well done.

Anonymous 10:46 AM  

For the life of me I cannot see the point that Anonymous is making about the 'peaceful Muslim' to which Angela responded to by calling it a 'great post'?

All the Great Religions (well almost all ...) promote compassion and honesty.

We do need to set two apart.

Firstly, the Old Testament is a cruel, violent and barbaric piece of work that thankfully is no longer taken literally by the vast majority of Jews and Christians.

The New Testament in any case overrides it with compassion and honesty.

Secondly, the Koran is as cruel and as violent and as barbaric as the Old Testament with the added dangerous dimension that the vast majority of Muslims do take it literally!

So we have about a billion infected minds at least on this Planet intent on promoting the subjugation of the other five billion to this savage 'not oft forgiving and not oft merciful' god.

Rather than writing silly parables about honesty if you are a Muslim do something about your co-religionists who promote 'justice' through nails and ball bearings packaged with plastic explosives.

All this rubbish about 'peace and human rights'!

Violent Christian extremists cannot get far in today's Christian societies because the Christian themselves will out them!

Therein lies the difference - mass secret Muslim sympathy for the jihadists within them.

Stand on your head and deny it as much as you want - just by doing nothing you allow your crazy zombified co-religionists to ride roughshod over the planet! The tiresome excuse is that it is the Palestinian issue that is causing the extremism. Yet crazy Islamists are bent on 'retaking' Iberia!!! What on earth has that to do with Palestine?

What a complete load of gumff that is spewed out the whole time from Muslims and their Politically Correct and Leftist apologists.

I think that silly parable must have had a gazillion covers before it starting from the time that we went from hunter gathering to planting seeds!

Nothing original in any of it, and all said before and better by many other preceding religions.

The grace of Taoism, Jainism, Buddhism and many other Eastern religious derivatives stands out in quantum magnificence compared to the blood mad crazy god of Abraham!

The hope of this planet lies in the one billion Chinese and one billion Indians emerging as the next two super powers and putting an end to this Islamic barbarism once and for all.

Then at least the dominant religions will be peaceful ones!

René O'Deay 9:39 AM  

really? don't makemelaugh.
But Citizen Warrior and allof the rest of you should read this very informative article:
'One of our readers, an anthropologist of sorts, sent in this After Action Report on the experiential effects of his participation in the Friday prayers at a mosque in his city on the West Coast.'
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/06/kinetic-effects-of-prayer-in-islam.html
Friday Prayers often lead to mass mayhem. ever wondered why? get all the clues.

Anonymous 1:41 PM  

More from the brilliant Raymond Ibrahim.

Here is an interview by FrontPageMag.com:

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/06/28/the-brutal-mind-of-al-qaeda%E2%80%99s-new-boss/

Ibrahim, fluent in Arabic, leaves us with no illusions about the new Al Qaeda boss.

Also, no illusions about the intent of Islamists.

Peace loving people!?

The Politically Correct and the Western Left need to wake up and realise that their heads will roll as well once they have advantaged Global Jihad sufficiently.

I can almost comprehend the do-good Politically Correct - but how Western Leftists can delude themselves after the unspeakable atrocities performed by "Holy Warriors" against Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan is beyond comprehension.

Aided by the West and supported by Doctors Without Borders, those "Holy Warriors" must surely consider us the biggest fools in history!

And deservedly so!

Now we are helping them be rid of Qaddafi at our own expense.

Oil rich Qatar, the most cunning Islamic nation on the Planet, is hardly contributing to the expense of bombing Qaddafi after egging us on, yet they are already marketing the oil of "liberated" Libya!

With its Al Jazeera, and the abundance of useful idiots like Fisk and Chomsky and Vaughan Smith contributing they have created the illusion of being a leading human rights nation!!!

As Dark as it is, their Confusion of the West is perversely brilliant!

Anonymous 5:17 AM  

The number 10 is a useful number to explore the perversity of Political Correctness.

When Israeli commandos landed on the Gaza Aid Flotilla last year and were set upon with pipes and fists, they tragically killed about 10 activists to save their lives. In that moment of fear the human body is hard wired to react for survival.

The whole Islamic world went up in a roar, and so did most of the Planet to contend with it.

Months before however a party of 10 (eight western NGO workers and two Muslim drivers) were attacked in North Eastern Afghanistan,

Amongst them were women, one of them a waif of a doctor by the name of Karen Woo, due to be wed on her return to the UK.

These workers were executed cold bloodedly, with guns blasting away their brains on the side of some God forsaken road.

One Muslim was also killed, the other begged for his life, praising Allah and The Prophet.

The Taliban claimed responsibility immediately!

The ‘peace loving’ Islamic World hardly said boo and a few Western governments did some wrist slapping.

Strangely, oddly sensing that perhaps it was too much (anyone recall the hostage taking of children by crazy Islamists in the Caucuses) the Taliban withdrew the claim after a few days.

But the Politically Correct and the Islamic World and the Western Left mostly had little if anything to say.

However, the Taliban have just attacked a hotel in Kabul, deliberately seeking guests and killing about 10 … the count is now up to eleven.

These are all Afghans, mostly civilians, and no foreigners.

The Taliban have proudly claimed credit for this deliberate targeting of civilians!!!

No ICC arrest warrants will be issued, Wael Ghonim will have nothing to say, no days of Rage will be called for by the Islamic world, the Fisks, Vaughan Smiths, Assanges, Chomskys, and Naomi Kleins in their celebrity olive skinned fashion adorned bodies will have nothing to say.

The Taliban now know of course that nothing will emit from the Mouths of the Politically Correct, nor of their fellow bedmates of the Western Left.

Just Nothing … only the Silence of Hypocrisy!

As I said, the number 10 is a useful number to explore the perversity of Political Correctness.

Anonymous 7:46 AM  

So much for the peace loving muslims and their religion of peace!

http://www.radicalislam.org/content/10-slavery-islam?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Slavery+in+Sudan&utm_campaign=RI+Newsletter+45&utm_term=10+Things+You+Need+to+Know+About_

This is absolutely sickening.

Anonymous 8:22 AM  

Dear Rene,

Eastern religions like Jainism, Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism have none of the blood and gore advocated by the 'God of Abraham'.

Remarkably they can in many instances be in harmony with quantum physics, super string theory, calabi-yau dimensions and the physics of black holes.

As an atheist I can still appreciate the above Eastern religions for their humanity, compassion - and theories about the Universe that are not LAUGHABLY child-like as in "Abraham's God".

Whilst Christians and Jews have mostly moved on from the idiocy of literal interpretations of these barbaric, primal and truly LAUGHABLE creational gumff delusions, Muslims cling to this total and absurd rubbish, the males especially looking forward to Eternal Orgasm with 72 Virgins! What complete and total junk! In the 21st Century!

Scoff at the Chinese and Indians as much as you want but diseased as we are by Political Correctness and the Worship of Che Guevara-like demi-gods by our naive Western Left compatriots you will have to thank these two nations in decades to come for not being subjugated by Islam!

Regards
Anonymous

Anonymous 11:55 AM  

Hopefully the West will have learnt some final lessons regarding the futility of spreading democracy and rationality in the ‘peace loving’ Islamic lands.

Iraq is a total failure and we have lost too many Western lives seeking to enlighten people who believe in barbaric testaments of the 7th Century.

Afghanistan with its double-dealing criminal head of state is also a failure. How did we get caught up with that decrepit fraud of Karzai with his silly coloured mantle that he drapes over his shoulders as he lies to us 7 x 24 x 365.

As soon as Western forces are out of there that god-forsaken desert will return to the Stone Age.

‘Adulteresses’ will be buried up to their necks in a pit and religious zombies will throw stones at the pristine dna manifestations that all of us humans are. Eons of finely tuned, nurtured DNA will be crushed into a bloody mess for some irrational 'morality'.

Such is the Cosmological Sacrilege of that Mad Religion, its fictitious ‘god’ and its war lord prophet!

After squandering our resources in Libya thanks to the deceitful manipulations of that human rights joke of a spit of sand called Qatar, we will finally learn the lesson of abandoning Islamic lands and just letting them get on with imposing their Hell on Earth over their zombified citizens. (Of course we would also need to get rid of western anti-free market oil imperialists who use government regulation to stop competition from alternative fuels!)

Maybe we can land one last intentionally launched Tomahawk on the Clown that is Qaddafi and turn our backs on that sorry primal part of the world.

Wael Ghonim and his illusionary promise of the ‘Arab Spring’ will engage our diseased Politically Correct western compatriots and their naïve if well intentioned leftist allies.

Hopefully Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore will eventually be banished to Afghanistan, along with Fisk & Co. That would surely be poetic justice!

Naomi Klein too – she will just have to watch out that she does not get put into a pit and stoned – with her looks and her fame and male DNA fawning all over her she is vulnerable to temptation. Best that she commits to celibacy!

I am curious however as to why Muslims are allowing the non-Muslim Vaughan Smith to sleep with his Muslim Nato liberated Kosovo wife? Surely that is not allowable – an Infidel Male sexually penetrating a Female !? That would be like a Black Man being with a White Woman in Apartheid South Africa – the boere (Afrikaans males) would have made mampoer (moonshine) of him!

As Vaughan Smith considers ISAF medivac choppers fair game to shoot down it would seem appropriate that his sexual relationship with his wife not be left unpunished. If Azaaz petitions against a fatwa on him for such a sin I might just not sign it – well I will try not to sign it – perhaps someone can help me become a barbarian too? Okay, I will sign it – but I too want to be a barbarian one day!

Mind you we should feel sorry for Vaughan Smith – he is hosting Assange in his English castle and we know what a Lady’s Man Assange can be. Now that could be poetic justice without blood and gore ...

Anonymous 7:13 AM  

Rene's post on the Gates of Vienna article is an excellent pointer.

I re-include it here for convenience:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/06/kinetic-effects-of-prayer-in-islam.html

That Mohammed may have been a political/military genius, albeit an evil one, is not in contention.

As the article points out many of the fatalities in soldiering in those times were due to dysentery.

What better way to keep your fighting men in shape than insisting on personal hygiene!?

As a religious ritual!

Then allow them rape and plunder - and you have fighting fit men with incentive.

If you die in battle you acquire 72 virgins for your eternal orgasmic pleasure, and your brother warriors will look after your wife and family.

Hence the value of polygamy.

Good article to point us to Rene.

Anonymous 9:37 AM  

That peace loving nation called Pakistan (although Pathetikstan is more appropriate) is busy seeking a greater alliance with China.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/417a48c4-a34d-11e0-8d6d-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=rss#axzz1Qs5wZzWz

It is a sign of inferiority that it is still seeking a Big Brother - its arch enemy across the border, India, has become an Economic Giant whilst the religiously diseased Pakistan is a cess pit, albeit a nuclear one.

But let it have its Big Brother in China.

The Chinese will be resistant to the mind disease of Political Correctness, and they have been there and done it all as far as being Left is concerned.

Tens of millions of corpses later thanks to Mao & Co they are not naive idealists like our Western Left compatriots.

Pakistan will find it has a Big Brother indeed - one who will not hesitate to crush it if ever dares to incite China's 30 million muslims (thankfully only 3% of their population) to subjugate China to Islam.

May the Force be with China!

Anonymous 8:09 AM  

More on the 'peace loving' Islamic nations ...


On average as many civilian deaths occur every Friday’s ‘Day of Rage’ in Syria, Turkey’s neighbour, as the number of Turkish activist deaths on board one of the Gaza Aid Flotilla ships last year.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/syrian-forces-leave-28-dead-after-day-of-protests-20110702-1gwp9.html

Turkey is certainly concerned about this – but is hardly making the noise it made last year over the Gaza Aid Flotilla incident.

Most of the Islamic world is quiet as well – where they raged for months after the Gaza Aid Flotilla incident last year.

Syria has by now killed far more civilians – and deliberately – than Israel’s collateral damage with its operations in Gaza in the ‘limbo’ period between Bush and Obama.

The Islamic World is not demanding UN investigations into the war crimes of Syria!

Neither is it demanding that Nato bomb Syria – after all Turkey is a Nato ally! Easie peasie!

Qatar has nothing to say – but then it is the Ultimate Cesspit of Hypocrisy!

Fisk has a few things to say but does not have the journalistic objectivity to explicitly acknowledge that Israel’s collateral damage is now far less than Syria’s targeted killing of civilians. But then Fisk is just a full-blooded anti-Semitic using the ‘Palestinian Issue’ as his cover.

Wael Ghonim? Quiet as a mouse. No campaign for going viral on Facebook and Twitter over the Syrian atrocities.

And he will probably get a Nobel Peace Prize with his line (in natural taqiyyaspeak) that his inspiration was Gandhi! An Infidel as an inspiration! What total rubbish coming from a muslim!

The difference of course is that Syria is anti-West … hence the Quiet Turkey and the Silent Wael Ghonim.

gsw 4:55 AM  

Peace loving muslims will not incite to riot just because I dislike there theocratic ideology.
Peace loving muslims will not anger me with cries of islamophobia when I reject submission and slavery in favour of personal freedom.
Peace loving muslims will not sue me when I draw a silly picture of that used-camel salesman they call their prophet.
And since the majority of muslims are peace-loving, we no longer have any need for all those pesky hate-speech laws.

Anonymous 10:30 AM  

I read the early comment about the "Good Muslim" not telling a lie & becoming a good muslim.... THERE'S A CATCH... In the koran it's stated that if a muslim lies to an infidel or a hebrew, etc., IT'S NOT A LIE, DOES NOT COUNT... so therefore, how can one of us trust what they say???

Citizen Warrior 12:23 PM  

It's perfectly all right to lie if it advances Islam or protects a Muslim. So we cannot trust what they say.

chris heath 10:57 AM  

I consider this Koranic verse, whenever I hear about treaties discussed within the Islamic world :-

9.001 "Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty. "

Note, this is the First verse of chapter 9.
I wonder how many international ambassadors know of its existence?

Citizen Warrior 2:32 PM  

And Sura 9 is essentially the last word on how to deal with non-Muslims:

http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/08/verse-of-sword.html

http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/09/qurans-last-word-on-non-muslims.html

Anonymous 5:05 AM  

stop the islamization of the world! they willnever bring peace evolution and prosperity,go back to your poor and full of wars country,because that's all you can do!

R-Arch 6:06 AM  

This is the best article on the subject that I have seen and I will share it.
The West is challenged to re-examine our basic values. What do we mean by Freedom of Religion, Freedom of speech and tolerance?
Is it OK to teach children hate and violence at religious schools?
The Saudis spend billions exporting free religious schools to the rest of the world.

Anonymous 5:48 AM  

The majority of Moslims are peaceful, despite their religion, in exactly the same way that the majority of the millions who joined the Nazi Party were peaceful in the 1930s.

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