Once Non-Muslims Have Awakened, Then What?

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AWHILE BACK, in an article entitled, What Would Happen?, I challenged you to think past our biggest barrier to a time when the majority of people in free nations understood the disturbing nature of Islamic doctrine. Once that happens, then what? What would we do? What laws would be passed? How would our national policies change?

The idea was to clarify where we're going, because this could lay the groundwork for how we are proceeding at the moment. What are we aiming at? What needs to be changed once the political will exists to do it?

One of the best answers was the very first one, by Damien. He wrote:

For one thing, it would be much harder for the stealth jihad to operate. In fact it would be almost impossible, and that's why Jihadists don't want non-Muslims to know about these things, (at least the smarter ones anyway).

Also, it would make it almost impossible for Islam to gain new converts, because people in general wouldn't want to be part of a religion that encourages hatred for anyone who doesn't blindly accept it, including their friends and family. It would also make it harder for them believe Muhammad was a good person, or that books like the Koran are the inspired word of God. That alone would make the religion much less appealing to people who were not born into it.

As far as foreign policy, almost no non-Muslim would support endorsing constitutions that recognize sharia law, unless they somehow thought that they could take advantage of an Islamic dictatorship somehow, despite what they knew. But the idea that sharia or Islam is compatible with democratic government would be unthinkable.

The only downside might be that some heterodox Muslims as you call them, (liberal secularized Muslims as I've called them) might be more likely to be wrongfully attacked. Of course, in such a world it might be much harder for them to stay Muslims, if everyone else around them knew the truth about what their religious texts actually teach.

As for exactly what new policies would be enacted, I'm not sure, but the answer would largely depend on how long most of the non-Muslims knew this. If they had known this for well over a hundred years or more, much of what's going on right now wouldn't even be happening, so some of the policies you might think of wouldn't be necessary at all.

If, on the other hand, all other non-Muslims just found out today, it would be a different story.

Another frequent commenter, Ben, wrote: At best, we can hope for immigration bans, stepped up surveillance and constitutional action to prevent imposition of Shari'ah.

Kingsley Beattie emailed this comment: It could result in termination of all unnecessary contacts with Muslims, and Islamic nations and societies. Islamic schools and mosques could be made illegal and closed. Diplomatic and commercial exchanges could be restricted to neutral territory. Muslims living in Dar al Harb could be "encouraged" to migrate to Dar al Islam. In other words the kaffir would strive to establish reciprocity with the Islamic heartland, Saudi Arabia.

Someone emailed this comment: What would happen? Islam would lose its status as a religion. I have always felt that if a movie showing the true life of Muhammad were to be made and shown around the world, that would mean the end of Islam as a religion.

Someone emailed this: What if everyone knew that political action to establish Sharia law is a religious duty for all able-bodied Muslims? Then there would be a national Sharia ban in place. Unlike Jewish or Ecclesiastical law, Sharia seeks to undermine and overthrow secular state law.

As such, all its supporters should be treated as enemies, stripped of citizenship, and deported to Saudi Arabia.

The same person also said: What do I think would happen? We would have a strong sense of community identification as non-Muslims.

Then I asked the same question in a different way: Right now it seems clear that very little can be done politically without more people knowing more about Islam, or at least making fewer mistaken assumptions about Islam. It will probably never happen that "everybody" knows about Islam, and it isn't even necessary.

But the question is, "Then what?"

Then what will we do? What do you envision as our next steps? If someone became president who had a great deal of popular support and who knew all about Islam's prime directive, what do you think she or he would do?

Damien stepped in again with this: If someone who knew all about Islam's prime directive become president, what would he or she do? I can't tell you exactly what he or she would do because I'm not that person, but if I were, I can tell you what I would do.

I would try to enact laws that would at the very least put severe restrictions on immigration from Islamic countries to America, at least until those societies voluntarily abandon Jihad and Sharia, and I would encourage other western leaders to do the same. Plus I would argue that Turkey should not be allowed into the EU.

In addition to that I would try to convince congress to actually enforce our current immigration laws and tighten border security so it would be harder for terrorists to sneak in. I would get either the National Security Agency or some other secret government organization to monitor mosques in this country.

Technically Islam is a religion, so I don't see how we could realistically say it was not, but we don't have to deny that Islam is a religion to do what needs to be done. Unlike what a lot of people think, religions are not inherently benign. Many of the religions in South America prior to Columbus practiced ritualized murder to appease their gods, for example.

Remember that the constitution is not a suicide pact. Besides, your right to swing your fist ends where my face begins. I don't think the Founding Fathers intended freedom of religion to include violating other people's rights based on your religion. They also would have found the idea that people have a right to try to use their religion to commit treason against a legitimate, democratically elected government to be absurd.

In addition, I would encourage schools to adopt non-politically-correct text books that devote at least one chapter to the early and later history of Islam. Ones that were not filled with pro-Islam propaganda and don't leave important things out just because Muslims complain.

I would demand that any group that receives money from Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic state register under the foreign agents act. (At least I think that's what its called.)

Speaking of the Constitution, I would try to get an amendment passed that would forbid judges from considering foreign law, including Sharia, when it came to deciding constitutional matters. I know that we already have the First Amendment that forbids the state from officially recognizing a religion, or enacting purely religious laws, but it would make it harder for U.S judges to justify even considering Sharia, for politically correct reasons. I would also argue that we should pass the anti-foreign law, anti-sharia amendment to reinforce what's already in the First Amendment.

I would do everything in my power, including war if necessary, to eliminate the Jihadist threat, with the ultimate goal of sending them the message that their attempts to destroy us and/or subjugate us are futile.

I can think of more, much more. Citizen Warrior, what would you do if you were president of the United States knowing what you know?

I wrote: I really like your answer, Damien. And my answer would be very similar. If I were president, curbing Muslim immigration would be my first move, too. And making the borders secure.

And I would begin a program that would ongoingly monitor mosques in America. Those found to promote jihad would be shut down. Those imams promoting jihad would be arrested for sedition or deported. I would do the same with Islamic schools in the U.S.

I would instigate a national law similar to what Louisiana and Oklahoma have done that explicitly outlaws Sharia.

I would order the investigation of history textbooks and remove those that have falsely whitewashed Islam's image. And I would call for textbooks that taught an accurate and detailed history of Islam and the Crusades.

I would immediately encourage, in every way possible, to end oil's status as a strategic commodity, and encourage all other countries to do the same.

I would stop all foreign investments in this country for mosques or madrassas. I would allow U.S. security agents to call our enemies by their accurate names. I would stop Muslims from being able to come to America to be educated. I would stop allowing visas for imams to come here from Muslim countries. I would prevent foreign Muslims from donating to colleges here in the U.S.

All Muslim chaplins in prisons and the military would be monitored and any hint of jihad or Sharia would disqualify them. And then I would get a good night's sleep because that first day in office was a long one!

I also asked the question on a Citizen Warrior Facebook post, and got quite a few more responses. One woman wrote: Let women know especially how all the freedoms we take for granted would be ripped away under sharia law. Females become non-persons and property. Any decision that has to be made about a woman will be made by a man. The koran urges every man to take 4 wives. Polygamy is outlawed in the US but our government is turning a blind eye to everything muslim to the point of allowing muslims to break our laws. When in Rome, so muslims who come to the US (and immigration to the US from muslim countries should be outlawed as they do not assimilate into our society and have no intention of living by our rules and laws) have to abide by our way of life. We will NOT accommodate them and their culture.

For the most part, I wasn't getting the kind of answers I was looking for — people seemed focused on the impossiblity of getting people to understand the danger of Islam. So I clarified the question: Let's imagine that somehow it happened. I'm sure at some point it would have seemed impossible for people to stop smoking, and yet our whole culture's orientation to tobacco has changed in my lifetime, from something totally acceptable and commonplace to something that is banned in more and more places and done by fewer and fewer people.

So imagine that a huge change like that happened to a majority of people in the free world. Somehow a majority of people really understood what Islamic doctrine is all about. What kinds of policies would we vote in? What kinds of new laws would we make? What do you think we would do once we all knew about it?

Someone wrote: In my opinion I see Islamic doctrine in the same way I view slavery. The laws wouldn't be able to paint the doctrine with a broad brush, but by taking parts of it and dealing with them individually. What CAIR is trying to do is make this a religious issue and that we also have to accept it because of free speech. Therefore sharia should be allowed because it is a religious belief. That is how we have to attack it. We don't allow sharia because it is against the laws and Constitution of this country, regardless of their religious beliefs.

Someone else wrote: The biggest problem we face is that there are too many of them in this country. Who would pay to deport them all? We would first have to say we do not recognize Islam as a religion. We would take away their tax exempt status. We would use undercover people to monitor what is going on inside mosques and what is being taught there. Any mention of terrorism would be closely watched. Sharia law in ANY form would NOT be tolerated. We would not allow ANY type of worship by them in our schools. No Muslim would be permitted to be employed or do volunteer work in any state, Federal or local governments.

Someone else wrote: I think if everyone knew the truth about Islam they would not bow down to it and would not appease those extremists who throw temper tantrums to get their way. They would not let Islam creep into their judicial systems and social systems the way it is, just like a cancer, starting slowly but over time taking over and destroying. They would put a stop to it eradicate it!

Someone else wrote: It would have a profound affect on the behavior of Muslims. If the West would stand up to Islam and lose the politically correct facade, I think that many would leave Islam. They are held hostage, so to speak, by their fear of being persecuted or harmed for apostasy. If we can convince them that we are not a bunch of pussies and offer protection, they would leave in droves.

Someone else wrote: Immigration reform regarding Islamic countries should be the 1st thing after outlawing political correctness. We should find some way to make allowances for true asylum seekers. They do exist. They need to end the student/clerical visa "exchanges", especially since they do not vet them well & there is no "exchange" of other religious clerics to them, just reception of them to us.

Get the Supreme Court to rule definitively that Sharia Law is totally impermissible in American courts, period. Also, that there are no laws to give Islam protected status either. It should not be exempt from critical examination any more than any belief system should be. There should be no thought-police-type crime laws for Islam either. (I am not a believer in "hate crimes" laws, I believe ALL crimes deserve the same treatment, regardless of who/what the victim is or the motivation of the perpetrator, murder is murder — whether the perp hates me or not, I'm still dead!)

Also, do not allow fawning presentations in history classes for Islam without even mentioning the dark side. I know all about how many of the educators feel about the dark periods of Christianity but, according to some of them, they did NOTHING right & Islamic countries were the perfect, just, tolerant societies. Balance & truth, no need to sugarcoat.

Someone else wrote: We are going to have to outlaw islam as a religion first. This way, they don't get to run and seek protection under our own religious persecution laws. Is anyone aware that this is what they are doing? Using our own laws against us. Islam=nazi's. Same thing.

Someone else wrote: We would demand a loyalty oath as a condition to stay in this country. If they cannot swear allegiance to our Constitution, before anything else, they will be deported. Immigration is going to be what bites us on the ass. The second generation will be the problem.

Someone else wrote: A Palestinian immigrant I know told me she lied when taking the oath to become an American citizen.

If people knew the truth about Islam, they (some wouldn't care one way or the other because they're too apathetic/distracted) would want laws stopping all Muslims from immigrating to the US and demand all construction of mosques be halted.

Also, if the truth were accepted, then Islam might possibly be considered seditious, but since communist doctrine seems to be tolerated under freedom of speech, I won't hold my breath.

Also, every time there's an article in my local rag or on the news regarding terrorism, it tilts in the direction of the 'hijacking' of a peaceful religion and they always have 'professors from coast to coast telling the interviewer jihad really means "inner struggle" and the same tired mantra, "islam is peaceful."

Even if the majority of muslims in the West want to live sharia-free, the dedicated agitators promoting Islam's political advancement are organized and focused. I liken it to the mafia where you have a small number of people willing to be violent to intimidate the majority to maintain control and power.

Martel Sobieskey (an occasional contributor to Citizen Warrior) sent me a section of an interchange he had with someone else, and it was along the lines of our conversation here, I'm including. The other person sent Sobieskey an article. And Sobieskey responded:

This is a very excellent and insightful article exposing the Islamic invasion. My highest respect, appreciation and admiration for your wisdom in this regard. Like a wise physician you have accurately diagnosed the "patients illness" Now we need the cures, the remedies.

What remedies do you prescribe to cure the patient?

The other person responded:

Martel, Thanks for the complement, As for the remedies:

1. First, we must awaken more Americans to the nature of the illness. ACT! for America and its chapters are pushing this forward. I think the Report of Team "B"II - Shariah, the Threat to America may be an effective tool. Hope you've read it. I understand it is going to be distributed to members of Congress, and major movers and players in our government, education, and the judiciary. Tragically, it seems that it has taken major terrorist acts inside the U.S., like the Ft. Hood massacre, to wake Americans up. Maybe we are simply going to need to have more 9/11s as horrible as that may seem.

2. Once we gotten enough voters awakened, then there are many things that can and must be done, such as:

Ending the State Department's Refugee Resettlement Program's ability to bring Muslims here as
refugees from Muslim terror.

No more religious visas for Imams to come and fundamentalize our secular Muslims.

Curtail Muslim immigration.

Seal our borders

Stop educating Muslim students from abroad — especially in sensitive technologies.

End welfare benefits to non-citizens and illegals — particularly Muslims.

No aid-to-dependent Muslim moms. Make them prove they are/were legally married
in registered monogamous marriages.

Excise the political ideologies out of Islam here in the U.S.

Forbid Shariah as Oklahoma recently did.

Stop caving in to Muslim demands for "accommodations" of any type.

Stop allowing U.S. universities/colleges from accept grants or endowments from Muslim countries.

Monitor activities in all U.S. mosques.

End the construction of new mosques in the U.S.

Stop providing Muslim chaplains in our prisons and armed forces.

Stop allowing and funding Muslim Student Associations/groups on our campuses.

Locate and deport Muslims who are not here illegally.

Amend our Constitution, if necessary, to declare Islam a seditious alien ideology, outlawed in
the U.S. and ineligible for First Amendment protection.

End tax-exempt status for Muslim organizations.

Forbid Muslims from holding elective office.

Well, there's a few for starters.

Then Martel Sobieskey wrote this response:

1. I have very little confidence that the majority of Americans will ever awaken as you state in your item #1. My reasoning is based upon the fact that since 9/11 Islam has made enormous progress and America has only done a little ineffective chat. Basically Americans remain paralyzed because it has wrongfully called Islam a religion and this is suicidal.

2. I believe the attack against Sharia is flawed because it implies that there is an Islam independent of Sharia and therefore leaves us stuck in the same split between moderate and militant. Now you will have Islamic deception that good Muslims do not want Sharia but the bad Muslims want Sharia.

3. My opinion is that our efforts should be against Islam in general by telling the truth that Islam in a counterfeit religion as stated in my article Islam's Invasion Ideology and that failing to do so means our gradual demise.

4. What's wrong with telling the truth about Islam that it is a fake and a fraud and not a genuine religion? I guess we could say that a cat is religious because it is so quiet and contemplative as it stalks a mouse.

5. When Islam prays five times a day, it is to kill and destroy all religions and nations worldwide. One should not be fooled by their pious demeanor. There have been several serial killers who had pious and holy demeanors. This is the case with Islam — it puts on the pious facade in order to deceive and kill its prey.

6. Our discussion here is more than theoretical because it can be verified by facts on the ground and the blood in the streets as time goes on. The most obvious strategic fact is the enormous progress Islam has made since 9/11.

7. Here we are talking about Sharia which is an obvious and egregious hate crime against all humanity. The very fact that we are discussing with such trepidation and timidity this far after 9/11 foretells our failure. We have become lost in a malaise of disconnected idealism avoiding the strategic realities.

8. Why don't these anti-Sharia efforts attack Islam head on? It shows that they do not have a strategic understanding of the situation, but remain locked in a discussion of hair-splitting idealism of a college classroom. Islam is defeating us strategically while we have our college classroom discussions about Sharia and court battles about Sharia. All the while Muslim immigrants build their enclaves and practice Sharia on the sly while their invasion ramps up and continues unabated.

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15 comments:

valhalla 5:19 AM  

I think you covered it -all very well,there are those who are too trusting -not wanting to think the worst of their fellow man,unfortunately they might live to regret their naivety and failure to be more diligent in their observations of this dominating ,demanding culture -Islam.

Damon Whitsell 7:55 AM  

Hi CW, did you hear that CW made The Southern Poverty Law Centers' lis of anti-Islam sites? Check it out.

http://barenakedislam.com/2012/03/09/woo-hoo-bare-naked-islam-made-the-list-of-active-anti-muslim-groups/

Damon Whitsell 8:29 AM  

Hi CW, This is another very helpful article. I am almost always on the verge of going crazy about all this Islam stuff. And to be honest I would have already went totally crazy if it had not been for CW and all the articles here about what to do about Islam. THANK YOU!

With the case of the Muslim judge in Pennsylvania ruling against the “Zombie Mohammad”,,, and all the apologies from Obama for the Koran burning while Muslims killed 6 of our soldiers and about 30 others - there has been allot of talk about Islam for 3 weeks straight at my church. So much so that people are starting to ask what can be done and what they can do. I made a new website (http://thereligionofconquest.info/) and over the next week or so I will be making a featured “what can be done” page which I will be drawing heavily from your work here to present a game plan for what our church members can do. I’ll let you know when I get that page done,,, and again,, THANK YOU!!!

toward humanity 9:43 AM  

non-muslim already awenken and they control the whole universe, so it is time to liberate from them

Ben 10:08 AM  

In my opinion, Martel Sobieskey pretty well nailed it down.

I will add this: we need to maintain a multi-facited approach; no single method will solve the problem.

I view the current surge in anti-Shari'ah legislation as the first rising tide of comprehension. I aim to build on it by exposing and exploiting little known details which make Shari'ah unacceptable.

To that end, I have posted quotes from Reliance, Risala & Hedaya in comments on high volume blogs in addition to my own blog posts.

My post on Reliance, which describes the book and tells readers how to obtain it, has recently had an average of five hits per day. Even the State Department has visited that post. A recent visitor came from Herndon W.V.; we can only guess who that was.

Children do not learn calculus in Kindergarten. Kuffar will not pick up the esoteric details of Shari'ah on first exposure. We need to present a range of depth and intensity of information to cater to kuffar in all grades.

Anonymous 10:21 AM  

First, wake up to the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood was established in 1928 (before any US action effected the Muslim world) to re=establish the caliphate in order to rule the world with Shariah law, which enforces Islamic principles.

Second, wake up to the fact that President Obama has been making U.S. governmental agencies (regulating healthcare, business, law enforcement, etc.) into Shariah-compliant socialistic entities opposed to the U.S. Constitution.

Third, leap out of the lethargic, it-doesn't-effect-me, blinded by empty rhetoric bed, put on the battle gear of truth, say a prayer, and get to work restoring the U.S. to the rule of the Constitution (which includes the Bill of Rights) as the law of the land.

Anonymous 12:05 PM  

The answer to religious faith is simple but distasteful to most believers who don't 'know" they don't 'know'. That is , their God is not a fact. Regardless of belief, no one has ever proven their God is the real God. I have known many people who will admit God cannot be proven but will still maintain that they 'know' there is a God.
I agree with the writer who believes Islam should be tsught in schools as it might get them to learn of its deficiencies. I like my approach better as I am not afraid of a person killing me to go to heaven when he knows he doesn't 'know' with certainty that there is a heaven.

Citizen Warrior 1:13 PM  

Someone emailed this comment:

I just wanted to contribute one small thought to the conversation.

Americans are too easily cowed when Muslims invoke the First Amendment to push their agenda. Many believe we have and must have absolute freedom of religion in this country, thus they let Muslims intrude sharia into our lives. But it pays to know history. We do not have unbridled freedom of religion in this country. In 1857-58 we sent the the U.S Army to the Utah territory to make war upon the Mormons with the objective of ending the Mormon "religious practice" of polygamy. The Mormons chose wisely and signed a treaty in which they explicitly abandoned polygamy. So much for infinite religious freedom. And their plural marriages were not really an infringement on your rights or my rights to have just one wife, or on any of our rights. Whereas sharia assigns drastically lesser rights to non-muslims than to muslims.

Anonymous 1:53 PM  

many are awake and still heads of states are allowing sharia law. Look at the NYPD and Chicago and Michigan. These states the people tried to stop this infestation and nothing happened. Mosques are going up everywhere even when the people voted no way - the DOJ steps in and demands it be allowed. So in my view more is going on here. Perhaps the President and DOJ are forcing states to adapt to this or lose all government money for their states. Something is definetly going on - I am against sharia law and no Islam in the US not one that is demanding change in every aspect of US life. So what now. How does one eliminate these threats - when the people running the states is not listening or even considering the peoples needs or objections.??

bill 8:18 AM  

The road to victory must include constitutional conservatives learning the right way(s) to talk to strangers about politics. Are there welsites on the internet that promote this? Does someone want to start one?
Cowards will not defeat Islamic terror. vin5ron@yahoo.com 864-419-2797.te

Citizen Warrior 1:42 PM  

Bill, we have a few resources to help people talk about Islam without turning them off:

Tools For Our Educational Mission

Citizen Warrior 12:49 AM  

Someone emailed this comment:

Six proposals to stop Sharia in the United States of America, and to insure freedom of religion for all who believe in their personal Faith.

There is potentially a thin line between religious belief, which is protected under our Constitution, and a politically driven religious-cult, which is not protected. Islam as a religion of personal belief is protected by law, but Sharia as a political force is not protected by law.

These six proposals are to maintain our constitutional integrity as a free nation, and to prevent a future anti-Sharia internal war:
First, any fatwa issued by an Islamic cleric that is threatening to others is immediately void. The cleric must be arrested and held, his family rounded up, and all their activities restricted. If a ‘death fatwa’ was issued, the cleric could additionally be prosecuted for attempted murder, and deported.

Second, any attempts to impose Sharia law by any organization under our government jurisdiction must be treated as seditious activity, the clerics behind it arrested and sanctioned.

Third, any lobby group demanding Sharia based concessions for any public facilities, public schools, universities, government buildings, public parks, establishments subject to public use (airports, transportation facilities, public restaurants, etc.) must be immediately sanctioned and called to account for their discriminatory actions. If found discriminatory towards others, they should be fined and suspended from further activities.

Fourth, any geographic section of our cities and countryside where radical-Islamic activities prevail and become ‘no go areas’ for police and fire protection must be dismantled as hostile territories within our United States, unconstitutional in their intent to damage the public good. Their leadership, clerics and imams, should be prosecuted for seditious activities, and if of violent intent deported.

Fifth, any mosque where such activities occurred, or had been planned, must be closed down. The ones remaining open must adhere to the same noise restrictions on the decibels level for their calls to prayer as any other private or public activity in a ‘quiet zone’, or otherwise residential area.
Sixth, intelligent restrictions on Muslim immigration must be imposed to guard against hostile entry into our United States. Personnel here for legitimate business or educational reasons must report periodically for reevaluation of their entrance visa. Anyone not a U.S. citizen from Islamic countries must be treated with the same restrictions now applied to banking activities with those countries, and their stay in the country reevaluated periodically, not less frequently that twice a year.

The stated purpose of these proposals is to forestall future and more draconian measures, should the demographics allow Muslim social and political pressures to further challenge our Constitutional laws and freedoms. They must be discouraged, or they might feel they have the right to impose Sharia on us, and the world.
America is the land of the Free. Let our land remain free and continue as a beacon of Freedom to the rest of the world, far into the future. God Bless America.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at October 9, 2007 4:12 PM

SOURCE:
http://sheikyermami.com/2006/12/22/islam/

helpush369 6:57 PM  

Making a movie about Mohammed is the best idea. So long as it is TRUTHFUL. That way if the film depicts Mohammed's life and ideals according to the koran and other books about him people that complain will be very few and far between.
No right minded thinking person would or will follow a dirty little pedophile. A war monger that's wayyyyy past his use-by date.

Gary 3:20 AM  

I think it was George Satayana who said that he who does not learn from the lessons of history is forever doomed to repeating them. With that in mind we(the concerned citizens) should start teaching our fellow citizens how the Middle East and North Africa which was predominantly Christian has become Islamic and how the persecution of Christians is on going still. Another good case study would the Islamification of Hindu/Buddhist countries of Central Asia,Afghanistan,Pakistan,India and Bangladesh.

Anonymous 12:31 PM  

IMHO - Islam is an idealogy hiding as a religion. It condons the overthrow of the AMerican Government, and therefore, should be recognized as an "Enemy of the State"; just like the ism's of the 50's. BTW - this whole Iran and the Bomb fiasco??? Hey, 2 bombs stifle their growing program... one to the supremes castle, and the other to the pres's hideout. Nuff said.

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