"Christianity Is Just As Bad"

Saturday

THIS IS ANOTHER installment in our series, Answers to Objections. When you criticize Islamic supremacism, a very common response you'll get is something like this: "Christians do the same thing. Look at the Inquisition. Look at the Crusades. More people have been killed in the name of Christianity than all other religions combined."

You can find an answer to the Crusades part here: What About The Crusades?

A simple way to answer the objection is: "Today, more people are killed in the name of Islam
every year than were killed in the entire 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition." Direct your listener to see how many people are being killed daily in the name of Islam at TheReligionOfPeace.com. Memorize that URL so you can recommend it. Write it down for them. It is a site that documents every verifiable act of jihad in the world where at least one person is killed.

Another answer is: "In the 1400-year history of Islam, 270 million people have been killed in the name of Islam. No other religion even comes close. Communism doesn't even come close. Naziism doesn't either. The reason we don't know this is that Islamic supremacists have infiltrated the textbook publishing business in America and have massively edited the history of Islam. They also heavily influence Western media."

And lastly, you can find a thorough answer to this objection here: Why I'm Worried About Islam But Not Christianity.

If you have ever responded to this objection with something you found particularly effective, please share it with us in the comments below. Thank you.

20 comments:

Anonymous 3:41 PM  

Islam produces swarms of mobotic clones programmed to emulate a seventh century psychopath:

Invasion of the psychopathic Mobots

Ben 3:44 AM  

Argumentum Tu Quoque is suited for the schoolyard, let it remain there.
It is a diversion, not a defense.

Where are Christians taking and decapitating hostages in the name of Christ? Where are they blowing up trains, buses and pizza parlors in the name of Christ?

In what Book, Chapter & verse does Jesus Christ sanctify & command offensive aggression?

Of course, I show them Allah's damnable commands. You should be able to find examples in the Forum Wars Threads at the Crusader's Armory blog.

Anonymous 3:56 AM  

What About The Crusades?
Well, what about them? The crusades had as their principal objective making Jerusalem available for Christian pilgrims after Muslim conquerors persecuted (oppressed, killed and expelled) Christians in the Levant, and deterring further Muslim expansion after the fall and subjugation of the ancient Christian communities of Egypt, the Levant, Arabia, and Anatolia. The crusades originated in a 911-call from the Christian ruler of Byzantium, because he feared that Muslim conquerors would destroy his church, enslave his people, and conquer his land. His capitol city is now Istanbul, his principal church is now a Mosque, and his eventual sucessor probably fell in battle with the Muslims who burned his capitol and buried him in a mass grave. I guess Alexius had reason to worry.
Were the crusaders anti-semitic, vicious, brutal, savage, etcetera. Of course they were. The period from 1095-1272 (Crusades I-IX) occurred during the "Dark Ages" and they are called that for a reason. The point is that EVERYONE was a savage, savagry and barbarism were normative. But, savagry and barbarism are no longer normative in much of the world, and toleration or apologia of them is undesireable. ---RondaWithoutaH's Husband

zebulon9 12:35 AM  

Useful URLs CW. I knew some of them but I ignored thereligionofpeace.com
Thanks.
Gastou

RenĂ© O'Deay 6:43 PM  

Need some answers for a NowPublic post and commentary. One person is especially vile, always thowing up the crusades, etc. He's what is called a classic 'dhimwit'.
Today he put this link up, now I do know this is from a classic 'slam taqqiya site, but any advice how to answer this vileness?

Ben 2:17 AM  

Rene, see to it that you do not allow that anal orifice to dragoon you into defending Christianity. He is employing argumentum Tu quoque, a logical fallacy. "You're one, too!" is an accusation, not a defense. The intent is to distract and derail the discussion from the absolute evil of Islam.

Muslims like to take Bible verses out of context and fabricate Talmud quotes.

Unless you are an expert and or have access to original documents, it is best to avoid those distractions.

Nothing YAHWEH or his followers said or did detracts in any way with what Moe and his successors are doing in the here and now. Jews are not engaged in lapidation or decapitation, Muslims are. Jews are not attempting genocides, Muslims are.

In the New Expanded Library at http://geocities.com/crusadersarmory. you will find the references you need to expose Islam effectively and a Windows utility for linking to their sources.

Dig up the December '79 issue of Playboy and read the article about Khomeini. Why did he say a Muslim could obtain sexual pleasure from an infant? There are some nice quotes at The Prophet of Doom site, too.

Do you know what Moe was doing with Aisha before he married her, when she was only 3? Look up thighing in your favorite search engine. But don't blame me if you puke on your keyboard.

To see how I dealt with the creeps in one forum, search for Crusader's Armory + "Forum Wars".

You can search the Qur'an, Bukhari's hadith, the Bible and Bhudist scripture all at once with Ocean, which you can find with a search.

Anonymous 9:14 PM  

I say, yes, absolutely there was a strain of theocratic totalitarianism in Christianity.

However, what did Jesus actually say?

"My Kingdom is not of this world."

So, the Christian faith was finally reformed, and transformed into a mostly positive force in the world - no longer a monolith trying to establish a totalitarian earthly kingdom.

Unfortunately, Islam is still stuck in its "theocratic totalitarian" phase - it is running at last 500 years behind Christianity. And the really frightening thing is, it is using modern weaponry and terroristic nation-states (and Pakistan has nukes, and soon so will Iran) to accomplish its goals. So, we do not have the luxury of waiting around for it to reform. We must protect ourselves, our nations and our societies now.

To Rene - for some background, if you have not yet done so, check out the Father Boutros videos on Jihad Watch. It is awesome to see such a learned, gentle man take apart the holy books of Islam.

He just lays bare the depravity - for example, guess which virgin Mo gets in heaven? Jesus's mother.

Totally icky - but it is there.

Citizen Warrior 1:31 PM  

Ben and Anonymous give some great answers. Rene, one way to answer the vileness is to refer to the present. Regardless of what it says in the Bible or Talmud, you see no Christians or Jews supporting marriage to underage girls. But right now, all over the world, you see plenty of Islamic support for marriage to underage girls.

The difference is in the finality of the Qur'an and the specific nature of its commands versus the Bible and Talmud which is a collection of writings over a period of time, and there are examples and stories, but nowhere does it say, "You must do these things, you must follow all the examples."

Unfortunately for non-Muslims, it says over seventy times in the Qur'an that a Muslim MUST follow the example of Mohammad. And he married a six-year old girl, so therefore it is right and good, and being done today all over the world.

Ben 2:14 PM  

The Talmud is partly a rabbinical debate transcript, it is not divine scripture. Muslims quote it selectively, and they quote fabrications.

The Qur'an is to be taken literally, and obeyed. Supremacism & triumphalism are immutable intrinsic attributes.

One fact recognized by few: the Qur'an contains situational scripture. Moe, being Allah's spokesman, was able to put words in his mouth.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 311:

Narrated Aisha:

I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." [Emphasis added.]

For more details:
www.geocities.com/crusadersarmory/downloads/SituationalScripture.pdf
www.prophetofdoom.net/pdf/POD_Quran_Surah_033_The_Allies.pdf
www.prophetofdoom.net/pdf/Prophet_of_Doom_14_The_Anti-Semite.pdf
snooper.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/know-thine-enemy-6

grahamghana 1:25 PM  

There is a good article at:
http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam

He makes the point that violence in the bible was limited to a specific situation and historical period. In contrast, the Qur'an's violent verses transcend time and therefore apply yesterday and today.

dar alharb 2:33 PM  

I agree with what everyone has written. Possibly the best confrontational reply I have heard is that 'both muhammad and Jesus had many enemies. Muhammad killed all of his enemies, how many of his enemies did Jesus kill?'.

Citizen Warrior 2:47 PM  

Dar Alharb, that's really good.

Blogger 4:29 PM  

The "numbers" argument in the article above is flawed. You need to take the argument of "Christianity is just as bad" to its source text of the Koran and quote from it. Bill Warner's An Abridged Koran is good as it has actual percentages pertaining to voilence in the Koran and Old Testament. Also, the violence in the OT is superceded by the new covenant after the babylonian exile, plus the new covenanant of Jesus. So, the violent teachings in the OT are not open ended. Both Christians and Muslims kill in the name of their religion, but only Muslims can back this up with clear, open-ended teachings.

Anonymous 8:58 PM  

I'm an atheist, but I respect Christianity as a moral code. That's because it was founded by a moral, upright man. A common man, a worker, a pacifist who worked for the betterment of others.

Islam's moral code was set by it's founder, a mass murderer and warlord.

When Christians act violently, they act against the example set by their founder and the commandments given to them. There is theological leverage to correct their behaviour, to show them the error of their ways.

When Muslims act violently, the act fully in accordance with the example set by their founder and his commandments to the Muslims. There is NO theological argument, no leverage, that can correct their behaviour.

Essentially, you can be a good Christian and a good human being, though the two are not always synonymous. However it is intrinsically impossible to be a good Muslim and a good human being - the two are mutually exclusive.

Anonymous 7:22 AM  

"I'm an atheist, but I respect Christianity as a moral code. That's because it was founded by a moral, upright man. A common man, a worker, a pacifist who worked for the betterment of others.

Islam's moral code was set by it's founder, a mass murderer and warlord.

When Christians act violently, they act against the example set by their founder and the commandments given to them. There is theological leverage to correct their behaviour, to show them the error of their ways.

When Muslims act violently, the act fully in accordance with the example set by their founder and his commandments to the Muslims. There is NO theological argument, no leverage, that can correct their behaviour.

Essentially, you can be a good Christian and a good human being, though the two are not always synonymous. However it is intrinsically impossible to be a good Muslim and a good human being - the two are mutually exclusive."


As a fundamentalist Christian, it is refreshing to see the words of an intelligent atheist.I get so tired at times of trying to combat not ignorance, but stupidity. Jesus said plainly that the Christian religion was not for everyone, and only required us to preach the gospel. Not hate those that rejected it.Lk 14;26-30
The requirements are stringent for a Christian, as the above verses show.

Kudos to you atheist,and thank you for understanding that the New Testament does not condone violence of any kind.

Anonymous 11:22 PM  

If Christianity is as bad as Islam, why has Christianity been growing ever more peaceful, tolerant, and liberating since the Middle Ages while Islam has grown
more and more violent in the same period? This is because Christian reformers have called the faithful back to the message of Chrsit which was peaceful while Muslim reformers have demanded a return to a shariah compliant dar al Islam which is violent, misogynistic, and anti-Semitic.

vicktrola 10:48 AM  

Anonymous said:
"Unfortunately, Islam is still stuck in its "theocratic totalitarian" phase - it is running at least 500 years behind Christianity. And the really frightening thing is, it is using modern weaponry and terroristic nation-states (and Pakistan has nukes, and soon so will Iran) to accomplish its goals. So, we do not have the luxury of waiting around for it to reform. We must protect ourselves, our nations and our societies now."

In the first quoted sentence you imply that Islam, given enough time, will naturally follow through the "phases" that Christianity experienced. By this you insinuate that their messages, i.e. their ideologies, are basically the same. Or close enough. This is, of course, absurd.

Citizen Warrior 12:04 PM  

That's a good point. In a way, the power wielded by Christianity was against its own doctrines, and the Reformation movement was "back to the texts." The power of the church had only accumulated because power tends to corrupt.

But Islam has already had its "reformation" movement. Unfortunately, when they go "back to the texts" it means moving away from "live and let live" and back to "off with the infidel's head."

Here's the texts Muslims went back to:

http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2011/04/intolerance-toward-non-muslims-in-quran.html

vicktrola 1:23 PM  

Well said, Citizen Warrior.

Mc Wrath 7:02 PM  

When one studies the violence in the history of Christianity it should be noted that such concepts at willfull destruction of ''the infidel'' were alien to it prior to it encounter with Islam...The violence of Christianity was acquired from Islam. Schisms in the church were ongoing and struggled over through theological debate. ( Schisms every bit as divisive as the protestant split of the reformation) No forced conversions occurred until the time of Charlemagne. Nor were 'pagans' slaughtered over being pagan I.E The violence of Christianity was a diffusion appropriated from Islam. ( such was its intrinsic evil )

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