tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post876797627212027298..comments2024-02-18T23:52:40.165-08:00Comments on Citizen Warrior: The Supremacist Nature of Islamic PrayerCitizen Warriorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-73981746926969994502018-11-20T17:12:17.992-08:002018-11-20T17:12:17.992-08:00Your article is misleading because it does not com...Your article is misleading because it does not compare like with like. The Islamic prayer you use is, in fact, one of the many prayers that can be used in Islam, But it is not obligatory in Salah and is not its core. I would say more than half of religious Muslims don't use it often.<br /><br />What would be considered the "heart" of Salah or prayer would be Surah Fatiha without which Salah does not exist and which is recited 2-4 times in each Salah and ~17 times per day by Muslims. You should have compared that with the Jewish and Christian prayers.<br /><br />"In the name of Allah, The Most Affectionate and the Merciful.<br />All praise is for Allah, Lord of all the worlds.<br />The most Affectionate, The Merciful.<br />Master of the Day of Resurrection.<br />We worship You alone, and ask You alone for help.<br />Guide us unto the straight path.<br />The path of those whom You have favoured. Not of those who have earned Your anger and nor of those who have gone astray." (1:1-7)The Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13236548902555103047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-45683012986198057532016-08-01T03:38:30.092-07:002016-08-01T03:38:30.092-07:00Thanks for your reply.
It's a shame that it&#...Thanks for your reply.<br /><br />It's a shame that it's so evident from what you write that you yourself are cherry picking and that this is your own interpretation only which nevertheless you state as fact. The fixed nature of your argument detracts from it.<br /><br />Everything you write in criticism of Judaism is,in fact fundamentally flawed, most importantly because Jews (unlike Muslims) are not commanded to act in imitation of the violence of past times (and I note that you fail to point out this fundamental difference between what Judaism demands of Jews and what Islam requires of its slaves). I am tempted to wonder why you have not made that link, much less demonstrated that you recognise that important difference.Babs Barronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-64886360048327526402016-04-30T12:55:09.345-07:002016-04-30T12:55:09.345-07:00The final prayer recited at every service is Alein...The final prayer recited at every service is Aleinu. The text begins:<br />"It is our duty to praise the Master of all, to ascribe greatness to the Author of creation, who has not made us like the nations of the lands nor placed us like the families of the earth; who has not made our portion like theirs, nor our destiny like all their multitudes. For they worship vanity and emptiness, and pray to a god who cannot save. But we bow in worship..."<br />The phrase "vanity and emptiness" was interpreted both by critics of Judaism and Jews themselves as referring to Jesus and Mohammed, and "a god who cannot save" clearly references Christianity, especially since "save" yoshi'a, is related to Jesus in Hebrew "Yeshu'a". The prayer, continues:<br />"Therefore we put our hope in you, Lord our God, that we may soon see your mighty splendor, to remove detestable idolatry from the earth, and false gods will be utterly cut off...then all the earth's inhabitants will recognize you...they will bend every knee and cast themselves down and to the glory of your name they will render homage, and they will all accept upon themselves the yoke of your kingship that you may reign over them soon and eternally...for the Lord is one and his name shall be one."<br />This remains a powerful statement against both Islam and Christianity as well as a belief in the destruction of all religions and non-Jews and the forcing of them under the monarchy of God and Israel. So, yeah, I think Judaism's liturgy contains some far harsher passages than the Islamic Salat, which, as your article proposes, has as its worst passage "O Allah, punish the infidels of the People of the Book who are preventing others from following your way". Jewish liturgy not only curses and prays for the destruction of all who do not believe, but also celebrates God's killing of infidels and enemies. Finally, it looks forward gleefully at the destruction of all the religions of the world and the unity of Earth under the power of God and Israel, and the destruction of all who do not believe.<br />As a final riposte, consider the text recited when Jews during Passover Seders open the door for Elijah, a wish for the messianic future:<br />"Pour out Your wrath upon those who do not know You and upon the nations which do not call upon Your Name. For they have devoured Jacob and laid waste his dwelling place. Pour out Your fury upon them; let the fierceness of Your anger overtake them. Pursue them in indignation and destroy them from under Your heavens."<br />Thus the hope for the Jewish messianic age is in God's complete destruction of all who do not believe or are not willing to embrace the god of the Jews. So, do you still think that Islamic liturgy is really more violent or thematically different than Jewish liturgy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-14878902666888443592016-04-30T12:54:54.241-07:002016-04-30T12:54:54.241-07:00For your article, I find it awfully simplistic. Cl...For your article, I find it awfully simplistic. Clearly you either decided to cherry pick one piece from Jewish liturgy in order to make yout point or are ignorant of Jewish liturgy. You fail to note that the Shema promises both famine and the resulting death for people who do not worship God "the earth will not yield its produce, and you will swiftly perish from the good land". It doesn't promise hell-fire, because Judaism does not have a strong conception of hell. But the Shema is only recited twice a day. The core of Jewish liturgy is the Amidah, that does correspond more closely to the Salat, a series of prayers that cover the spectrum of Jewish needs from God. Within this we find the prayer, al-haminim:<br />"And for the slanderers/heretics let there be no hope; and may all wickedness perish in an instant; and may all your enemies be cut down speedily. May you speedily uproot, smash, cast down, and humble wanton sinners-speedily in our days. Blessed are you O Lord, who breaks enemies and humbles wanton sinners."<br />This prayer, composed by Rabban Gamliel targets groups such as the Christians, Essenes, and Sadducees as well as any people who do not worship God. This is a prayer that all orthodox Jews recite three times every day. Additionally, we find in the prayer after the Shema this text celebrating the destruction of Egypt:<br />"All their firstborn you slew, but your firstborn you redeemed; the Sea of Reeds you split; the wanton sinners you drowned; the dear ones you brought across; and the water covered their foes, none of them was left. For this , the beloved praised and exalted God"<br />Additional psalms recited throughout the beginning of the service celebrate the destruction of the Canaanites, the killing of King Og, and God's slaughter of the Egyptians. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-74401598237552206472015-03-15T07:58:03.323-07:002015-03-15T07:58:03.323-07:00I think that published psychological analyses of t...I think that published psychological analyses of the 'destructive cult' nature of the sharia framework, and of those worshipping its god and setting up the alleged wants of this god as basis for their projections of 'bad/good/right/wrong', and of their god's character as perceived and evinced in sharia, is and will become very important in combatting the 'mind-forged manacles' of supremacist Islam. Sacralising someone's (in this case "Allah's") wants on the basis of their power and ferocity, and their promise of sexual rewards, seems to speak of fear, lust, confusion, and of self-doubt on the part of the person doing the sacralising that they have any ability/validity/'permission' to know or enquire anything directly for themselves. (My own lay view is that this is 'a god who belongs in Broadmoor'!:-) Apart from Nicolai Sennels, yours may be the only address of these matters that I've seen by a psychologist. Thank you, Babs.Deirdrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-47262757699011648802015-03-09T08:12:34.388-07:002015-03-09T08:12:34.388-07:00Hello, Anonymous,
I got the quote from Haitham Al...Hello, Anonymous,<br /><br />I got the quote from Haitham Al-Haddad on interfaith from the report by Stand for Peace, entitled “The Interfaith Industry” by Stand for Peace at http://standforpeace.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Interfaith-Industry.pdf (it’s on page 3).<br /><br />Hope this is usefulBabs Barronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-2056584799499811182015-03-08T14:29:34.449-07:002015-03-08T14:29:34.449-07:00Someone sent us this comment via email:
Very good...Someone sent us this comment via email:<br /><br />Very good point. <br /><br />Tarek Fatah, reformist Canadian Muslim (originally from Pakistan) has called for the modification of Islamic prayer.<br /><br />http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/13/muslims-shouldnt-pray-to-defeat-non-muslimsCitizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099995788131177949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-76452126112271053682015-03-08T09:28:16.131-07:002015-03-08T09:28:16.131-07:00An important question: is the Quran the Word of Go...An important question: is the Quran the Word of God or is it a fabrication of a man. Thus, is the Quran the truth or a fiction and a hoax? The jihadists use many verses from the Quran as the main source of justification for their violence, mayhem and murders. There, the question is clearly given on pages 145 through 157 in THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey in which he wrote a section on the Quran with its self-contradictions. Just two of the many he cited are the following “The Quran differs on whether a day is a thousand years or fifty thousand years in God’s sight’ and “Who was first to believe? Abraham or Moses [Sura 6:14 versus 7:143]? The above is inconsistent and illogical. Further, Morey wrote about “The fact that Judaism and Christianity broke up into different sects was used in the Quran to prove that they are not of God [Suras 30:20-32. 42:13, 14]. Yet Islam has broken up into many warring sects and therefore cannot be true if the Quran is right.” Moreover, Morey in his book shows many more contradictions and absurdities in the Quran, there are and how Muhammad incorporated extra Biblical and Jewish folklore along with pre-Islamic Arabian myth and parts of Zoroastrian and Hindu stories into the Quran. Furthermore, the Muslims claim that “the Quran is the direct, literal word of God unmodified in any way by the Prophet who uttered them at the bidding of God.” Nevertheless, in the book UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet and Eethi Caner has shown that the Quran was modified in the following account on pages 45. “Muhammad felt the need to improve on the words of Allah, since he changed Allah’s wisdom for his own on several occasions. A hadith tells of the nonchalant emendations of Muhammad:’ On a number of occasions he [a scribe] had, with the Prophet’s consent changed the closing words of verses. For example, when the prophet had said ‘God is mighty and wise ‘ Adbollah b. Abi Sarh suggested writing down ‘Knowing and wise’ and the Prophet answered that there was no objection. Having observed a succession of changes of this type, Adbollah renounced Islam on the grounds that revelations, if from God could not be changed at the prompting of a scribe such as himself. After his apostasy he went to Mecca and joined the Qorayshites.’ Other writers reveal that later Muhammad and his people did go war with the Qorayshites and he personally killed Abdollah. Obviously Abdollah knew too much and Muhammad wanted Abdollah’s knowledge to die with him.” In conclusion, the Quran is not only a fiction, it’s also a hoax.Walter Sieruknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-71444464232125527632015-03-08T07:09:18.834-07:002015-03-08T07:09:18.834-07:00Is there a source for the Haitham Al-Haddad quote?...Is there a source for the Haitham Al-Haddad quote? Not that I doubt it but if I reference it somewhere else and asked where or when he said it it would be useful to have that information. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com