tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post5287546716833258180..comments2024-02-18T23:52:40.165-08:00Comments on Citizen Warrior: An Indecent Level of DecencyCitizen Warriorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-59174296676775941072011-05-18T07:25:17.859-07:002011-05-18T07:25:17.859-07:00The underlying problem with Marsden's post is ...The underlying problem with Marsden's post is common to our critics, that of presenting false information as fact.<br /><br />First, the casualty analysis is wrong:<br /><br />Who Died In Iraq<br /><br />"August 30, 2010: With only 50,000 American troops left in Iraq, and none of them committed to full time combat operations, one can get a sense of what the human cost of the seven year war was. Foreign forces lost 4,735 troops (93 percent American). Iraqi security forces lost about 6,000 police and soldiers. About 100,000 Iraqi civilians died, but over a third of these were members of terrorist groups (mostly Sunni, including al Qaeda). Another ten percent were members of various anti-terrorist militias. The U.S. tried to identify as many dead enemy fighters as it could, but those numbers are currently classified. Based on information that did leak out, it's clear that the terrorist groups lost over 30,000 people. Most of the civilians were killed by terrorists, most of the terrorist deaths were caused by American troops."<br /><br />http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htwin/20100830.aspx<br /><br />So the terrorists killed most of the civilians, and we killed most of the terrorists. Similarly, figures are now placing Taliban-caused civilian deaths in Afghanistan at about 75%.<br /><br />Taking alive? Trial? Our country is considerably more considerate about unnecessary casualties than we were in the past, but there is a war going on and we were morally in the right with WWII carpet bombing of German cities. We were actually on the moral high ground with daylight precision bombing to minimize civilian casualties, but the British were also within their rights because night area bombing was safer for the aircraft crews. In war we put our safety above the enemies.<br /><br />What point of a trial? OBL took credit for what he did. There was no need to investigate to determine whether or not he really did the things we thought he did. He was on our national hit list. Any bounty hunter was authorized by the US to kill him, just like the Wild West Wanted Posters - "Wanted - Dead or Alive". Could you imagine if we had to try to take every Nazi soldier captive instead of shooting to kill? What would a trial establish? That the soldier was a member of Hitler's armed forces? This level of ridiculousness is reflected in this piece about Libya:<br /><br />We're Fighting A War, But We Really Don't Want To Hurt Anyone, And If We Do, We Are So Sorry<br /><br />http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/libya/articles/20110502.aspx<br /><br />"Israel has murdered hundreds of innocent Palestinan civilians."<br /><br />Big fat straw man. Where are the murdered Palestinians? So many of the photos released by the Palestinians are proven fake. Israel has the world's most conscientious army in the world with regards to civilian casualties, even more so than the US. They even call people at home and tell them to get out of the area before a strike. Clearly the jihadis are the murderers in this conflict.<br /><br />"Removal of all US military bases from the Middle East."<br /><br />And why did we have military bases in the Middle East? We were asked there to drive Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait. We are always coming to the aid of Muslim countries and condemned for it. We are not colonialists. We are everywhere in the world to help. Nearly every country in the world gets US aid money with the exception of some rogue states like Cuba, Iran and North Korea.<br /><br />"Formation of an Islamic superstate." This has more in common with Hitler's dream of a Greater Germany to rule the world than the EU. The EU was formed peacefully. Islam is totalitarian and is spread by the sword when it is able, and by stealth when it is not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-46978134275003808902011-05-10T12:48:12.776-07:002011-05-10T12:48:12.776-07:00Anonymous,
I agree, I'm glad Bin Laden is no ...Anonymous,<br /><br />I agree, I'm glad Bin Laden is no more.Damienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02691850040385670009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-35674861001041166882011-05-10T09:03:56.387-07:002011-05-10T09:03:56.387-07:00What this person doesn't realize is that the u...What this person doesn't realize is that the ultimate aim of Islam is to deny people freedom of choice and democracy. Government by sharia law is an obligation for Muslims. Unfortunately innocents have always been killed in wars. When combatants use innocents as human shields what can one expect? In Iraq, I believe that innocents were prevented from leaving towns by militants who were "hell bent" on martyrdom. Unfortunately you only discover that a house you just blew-up held innocents as well as militants after the fact. To not destroy militants when the chance comes is tactical suicide. The "jihadists" (in their madness) probably believe that any innocents who die with them also get into "paradise." Bin Laden's death should be applauded by all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-58185097355627868182011-05-09T06:28:00.356-07:002011-05-09T06:28:00.356-07:00OUR ADMINISTRATIONS DUPLICITY is as BAD as the ISL...OUR ADMINISTRATIONS DUPLICITY is as BAD as the ISLAM'S DUPLICITY. I have heard them say over and over again that Bin Laden was NOT A MUSLIM....THEN WHY THE FOCUS ON "BURYING" HIM AS ONE????AWMillerJrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561787498562031055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-26457280118360974322011-05-07T14:01:09.305-07:002011-05-07T14:01:09.305-07:00Someone emailed this:
I would like to respond to ...Someone emailed this:<br /><br />I would like to respond to Mr. Marsden's self-serving babble!<br /> <br />Sir,<br />1.) You call Israel illigimate. The rest of the world does not! You have declared WAR on Israel, they have not declared war on you! And yes, as in most conflicts some pretty bad thing may have happened but let me ask you this, does Israel make the rockets that are launched into their civilian populations? Do the Israelies rejoice and have parties when a Palistanian family is killed in their sleep with their throats cut? Do Jews blow up planes? Do Jews shoot innocent travelers in airports or blow them up on subways and trains? Do Jews behead newspaper reporters? If you have an honest answer to those questions then you will realize your argument is not valid. And to your comment regarding the deaths of Christians, we would be outraged!! Just as we are outraged over the genoside the Muslims are commiting in Samolia and other African countries. The slauter of hundreds of thousands of Christians. Just as we were outraged by the killing of muslims in Bosnia, or did you conveniently forget about those?<br /> <br />2.) Thankfully, our military is there temporarily. And, we lay no claim to the land or superiority over the residents of the middle east. The sooner we leave, the better. Thats how it differs from the colonial powers sir. And, we build schools, hospital, roads and voting booths. These are the very things you and your Taliban friends hate. Thus your biasis. <br /> <br />3.) The formation of the Islamic superstate governed by Sharia is promoted by your Quoran. There is not one single member of the Euroean Union, NATO, UN or any other orginization in the world since the Nazies who speak of world domination. Nor does the Christian Bible call for world domination. Only Islam champions world domination! And with that domination, the distruction of the western civilization thru taxation or death. How do you expect us to respond to your goals sir? Open up to you with welcome arms? I don't think so! <br /> <br />Finally, your numbers on KILLS are very skewed! You obviously only get your information from one chosen source. The government of Pakistan estimates that Al Qaeda has killed 20,000+ Muslims in Pakistan alone. And we have not touched Iraq, Mombi, Afganistan, Samolia, Saudi Arabia, New Youk City, Washington D.C., Bali, The Phillipines, Spain, France, Germany, Russia or England/Scotland. And those don't include the Taliban. <br /> <br />Finally, we did not condem Osama as a murderer. He admitted it!!! We only suspected him until he admitted to killing over 3000 innocent Americans.Citizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-74799513265062044172011-05-07T11:40:30.057-07:002011-05-07T11:40:30.057-07:00Marsden has left off what is – to me – the more pe...Marsden has left off what is – to me – the more pertinent argument in the debate over what to do with UBL. In addition, Marsden also seems to assume that the three reasons for al Qaeda's terroristic attacks are legitimate. I like to use the argument that although there are REASONS for blah, blah, blah… there are no EXCUSES. <br /><br />Another annoying thing about the piece is that Marsden conflates morality with legitimacy. I will grant that there is a logic to Marsden's plea for us to try and understand al Qaeda and its now-dead #1, Usama bin Laden: It's a plea for sympathy. I get that, completely, but my sympathies lie with the Israelis, the infidels and the U.S. The Israelis haven't murdered anyone in sixty years, not since the King David Hotel bombing; they have killed and some of those killed were noncombatants. <br /><br />If I were of a mind to condemn Marsden's piece for anything it would be for #3, formation of an Islamic superstate; nothing “fair” about it. The U.S. founding documents were quite specific in their aim to protect us from any religious governance. Governance is, obviously, different from practice; we are all permitted to practice our religions, worship our god/s, and so forth, as long as we do not violate the Constitution. Seems to me most of the objection to religious practice comes from those who practice none, but I'm going off-point. Why does any religion need a “superpower to represent it”? (That's just plain silly, M. What were you thinking?) If Marsden is annoyed that the U.S. Is known as a “Judeo-Christian” nation, Marsden must disapprove of the Founding documents and the Judeo-Christians who prepared it. Me thinks that Marsden doesn't understand that it is only through understanding Judeo-Christian doctrine that we know where “liberty” comes from; if liberty is not important then the Constitution is a waste of paper. I happen to appreciate liberty, so it matters to me that the U.S. Is founded on Judeo-Christian principles. <br /><br />It's harder to explain my position on U.S. Bases around the world, however. I hope Marsden is not implying that those bases indicate there are “imperial” motives afoot because, again, I hate to use the word but it would be silly to conflate military bases with land-grabbing, people-enslaving and resource-stealing imperialists. <br /><br />Lastly, I don't have the numbers but I daresay Americans have saved more lives than they have taken, but that's a moral argument and Marsden probably won't go down that road. I shouldn't have said that was my last statement because I need to throw in what is my only necessary argument and that is that God hates evil. And evil isn't just in the eye of the beholder, it is in the heart of the perpetrator. That's why the laws in the U.S. Take into account “intent” when judging someone's conduct or behavior or actions. What you intended is the meat of the judgment for or against you. I would have empathy for someone who killed their children because they were trying to protect them from something worse than death. <br /><br />I almost forgot to make a distinction between the al Qaeda number of killings and the U.S. Number of killings. Why didn't you mention the Saddam Hussein killings? Why does the number matter so much? Al Qaeda doesn't have the resources to kill more but I'm fairly certain that if they did, their numbers would be much higher. Again, it's a matter of values and judgments and intention. al Qaeda, for example, intends to annihilate a segment of the Earth's population for their own reasons and the U.S. does not.Diannehttp://elvischronicles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-63242621642621669362011-05-06T19:16:52.198-07:002011-05-06T19:16:52.198-07:00Citizen Warrior,
Also some Muslims have openly st...Citizen Warrior,<br /><br />Also some Muslims have openly stated that they think that no non Muslims is ever innocent, simply because they are not Muslims. Remember Anjum Chaudri? <br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4" rel="nofollow">Killing of Non-Muslims is Legitimate (British Mullah) - True Filthy Faces of Mullahs</a> <br /><br />Based on the video, you can see how using that depraved logic, people like him, can justify any evil their coreligionists do to someone just because they are not a member of their faith.Damienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02691850040385670009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-30419934788175626452011-05-06T18:06:04.883-07:002011-05-06T18:06:04.883-07:00Osama bin Laden was following the blueprint of the...Osama bin Laden was following the blueprint of the example of Muhammad, as it says <a href="http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/08/sacredness-of-mohammads-example.html" rel="nofollow">91 times in the Koran</a> every Muslim should do. <br /><br />For non-Muslims, there is nothing to like about Muhammad's example:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/09/what-non-muslims-dont-like-about-islam.html" rel="nofollow">What Educated Non-Muslims Don't Like About Islam in a Nutshell</a>Citizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-31396835407659428972011-05-06T18:02:53.417-07:002011-05-06T18:02:53.417-07:00Someone just left this comment:
Marsden seems to...Someone just left this comment: <br /><br />Marsden seems to be coming from a position that Al Quaeda is the problem, not Islam or the role model of the so called Prophet Muhammad. The 3 points listed are all legitimate Islamic doctrines, not some extraneous version. Al Quaeda is simply following Islam and the role model of the so called prophet Muhammad. In fact, Mark Durie says that Al Quaeda and the Taliban are the equivalent of the Reformation in Islam. Read his eye opening article here:<br /><br />http://markdurie.blogspot.com/2010/01/they-are-reformation.html<br /><br />As for the point about numbers killed, there are some important differences.<br /><br />1. Killing non-muslims is part of the teachings of the Koran, and therefore more insidious as it is part of the collective subconscious of muslims.<br /><br />2. The deaths from US forces are nearly all collatoral damage, but by Jihad will kill innocents on purpose.<br /><br />3. 25% of muslims believe that killing innocents is ok if it done for Islam (see Pew research).<br /><br />4. Over the 1400 years that Islam has plagued the world, millions upon millions of innocents have lost their lives as a direct cause of the Koran and teachings of Muhammad.Citizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-75411570736096291012011-05-06T11:27:41.466-07:002011-05-06T11:27:41.466-07:00Someone emailed this comment:
Marsden may sound r...Someone emailed this comment:<br /><br />Marsden may sound reasonable to people who agree with him and I certainly to not! Tell him to read "Son of Hamas". He should learn how the Palestinian Authority has no aim to settle with Israel. He should understand that radical Muslims are really trying to take over the world. If he could consider that he would also feel, as I do, that anything to stop them is the only way!Citizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-28359273138231518562011-05-06T07:04:02.081-07:002011-05-06T07:04:02.081-07:00Where on earth did you get the AlQuaeda/Taliban de...Where on earth did you get the AlQuaeda/Taliban death figures? These seem like the estimates from these wars alone. But how about the deaths caused by those two groups that were never reported in any media, let alone the Western media. The taliban have a reported habit of doing away with anyone that opposes them in any way. Kinda like the drug cartels in nearby Mexico.<br />Relating the Taliban with defense of their nation is like relating the Catholic Church with going to war for every conntry they have a presence in. The Taliban are knoiwn to operate in Afghanistan, Palistan, Syria, Jordan, India, and Saudi Arabia. Al Quaeda are known to operate in USA, Syria, Jordan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Germany, Spain, Israel, Qutar, Dubai, Yemen, Egypt, France, Denmark, UK, Canada, Venezuela, Somolia, Italy, Holland, do you get th picture. Which country are they trying to defend? Or, is it overthrow? One of the goals of the Taliban is to instill the rigid Islamic faith upon all nations and people; and kill all infadels (those who will not convert to Islam.) in the process. <br /><br />Is the statement an end to Israel referring to the political state or the descendants of the biblical person Israel? That definition is very critical as the descendants category covers a very large number of people. All of the non-Arabic world population is what that statement includes. Were that to be the goal then there wouold be only one religion allowed.<br />The presence of military bases is colonialism? Bull. Colonialism is the domination and enslavement of the indigit population for the purpose of obtaining the material resources of that country. Hardly something we do. Toequate otherwise is to subscribe to the propaganda of the Islamic groups that want no presence of any nation whose philosophy is based upon personal freedom of its people. For, as soon as a person is free to choose enslavement (mental or physical) over freedom the inevitable choice is freedom. And, the USA is the ensign of that way of life.<br />On the subject of colonialism, General Colin Powell, when challenged about the colonialism of Europe by the USA, said it very well, "The only land we have asked for is a place to bury our dead." In the middle east we didn't even ask for that. Our bases are there for the ability to support efforts to defeat our enemies in the region. And, Al Quaeda brought that distinction upon themselves when their leader, Usama Bin Laden, declared war on the USA. The Taliban is an armed faction that is in direct support of them. When we began to chase Al Quaeda it was the Taliban that protected them. The war with those two groups was initiated by them when they blew up our embassies and bases, attacked our citizens abroad, and finally launched terror attacks on US soil on 9/11/2001; they brought this war to us. And, our history is to defeat those who do things like this. Once we have done so we ease out of the picture and they run their own nations. (i.e. England after 1812, Spain after the attack on the US Navy in Cuba, Japan and Germany after WW2.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-71853658328206578642011-05-06T06:33:00.369-07:002011-05-06T06:33:00.369-07:00Mona Charen writes in her article "How Osama ...Mona Charen writes in her article "How Osama bin Laden resembled Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, and others on the Left" that Bin Laden "drunk deeply from the well of hatred for America that nourishes everyone from Hugo Chavez to Vladimir Putin"<br /><br />Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/05/how-osama-bin-laden-resembled-michael-moore-noam-chomsky-and-others-left#ixzz1LZtp2en7"<br /><br />Predictably the Leftards came out in full force, a de facto "wrath of leftards", in the comments.<br /><br />But it is a worth while read if only to see what comes out of the woodwork in the form of dhimwits, leftards and PCs.<br /><br />None of these will ever acknowledge that the pile of corpses built by Stalin and Mao was even greater than those that Hitler himself assembled.<br /><br />Stuck in their Anti-Imperialist Meme-complex they are incurable.<br /><br />Ultimately it is not Al Qaeda or the Greater Islamist Army that will destroy us but the Intelligentsia of Western Useful Idiots amongst us.<br /><br />They would rather support the worst of violators of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights than see the Western system of liberal secular democracies survive.<br /><br />After all, if Islamists ever have their way, the Planet will be governed by a system of total religious totalitarianism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-74693040734017094342011-05-06T04:03:03.094-07:002011-05-06T04:03:03.094-07:00to Marsden: I am a woman. What happens to me when...to Marsden: I am a woman. What happens to me when this death cult gains power? Many of the people who are killed all over the world are Muslims, killed by this insane ideology. Re: Israel, many countries are Muslim majority and many more in the process of being occupied by so called "immigration". Why would you want to destroy our one real cultural ally in the Middle East. All, like you who cannot see that this horrible, throwback culture is dangerous to modern civilization,<br />must have a DEATH WISH.Gormflaith The Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16983684618780190177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-42549424402887291752011-05-06T01:52:15.861-07:002011-05-06T01:52:15.861-07:00And I just got this email:
I want to comment to t...And I just got this email:<br /><br />I want to comment to the email.<br /><br />First I condemn both the methods and aims of Al Qaeda.<br /><br />What have we seen as the methods of Al Qaeda? Singling out and murdering civilians using horrific methods, subjugating the population, and destroying shrines of other religions.<br /><br />The aims are even more disturbing.<br /><br />1- Israel is a sovereign nation that has a right to defend itself and an obligation to it's population to do so. While we all are saddened by the death of civilians, Israel as a nation does more to protect the civilians of enemy nations than anyone on earth. You can independently check it. Enemy forces such as Hamas and Hezbollah use hospitals, schools, and neighborhoods to shelter military activities. Ambulances are used to transport weapons. Read the Fourth Geneva Convention which outlines treatment of protected people in war zones. Al Qaeda and Hamas routinely violate the provisions.<br /><br />2- The United States has military bases in the Middle East at the request and permission of the applicable governments. Excluding the small host nation subsides all of the bases are losing propositions for the United States.<br /><br />3- Al Qaeda wants to establish a Islamic Caliphate in the Middle East which will ultimately include the entire world. There will be no rights afforded to any non-Muslim and the entire area will be under Islamic Sharia law. Contrast this with NATO (a mutual defense treaty organization) or the EU (an economic union) which afford basic freedoms to all religions (including Islam) and are not the same as a Caliphate which is politically an Islamic state.<br /><br />Thank you for providing me the opportunity to respond to this article.<br /><br />Mark Goldstein<br />Nashville, TN USA.Citizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-37960172843896504422011-05-06T01:50:03.590-07:002011-05-06T01:50:03.590-07:00Someone emailed this comment:
Hi, CW
Has Marsden...Someone emailed this comment:<br /><br />Hi, CW<br /><br />Has Marsden read the koran? If not, may I suggest that he does so? <br /><br />1. Israel is a sovereign state declared by the United Nations. Unlike its neighbours, it has not sent out suicide terrorists to blow up innocent civilians in the street or in pizza parlours. Unlike them, it teaches its children to love life more than death. Israel doesn't send "heroes" to slit the throats of sleeping Arab children in their beds. Bin Laden, a card-holding psychopath, was in no position to judge objectively the rectitude of his own aims and ambitions. Israel does not, has never, wanted to wipe out her Arab neighbours and eradicate all trace of them, unlike Islamist Hamas which mourns bin Laden's death, and wants to eradicate Israel and its Jews from the face of the earth, as its Charter says. An entity like Hamas which inculcates hatred into kindergarten children cannot hope to survive.<br /><br />2. US presence in the Middle East is very different from the Muslim presence in what we now call the civilised world in the days of the Muslim prophet and immediately afterwards. At their prophet's command Muslims pillaged, took slaves, betrayed the trust of their allies and condemned millions to second class citizen status. That this person compares the two further shows his/her ignorance.<br /><br />3. The formation of an Islamic superstate, as Marsden calls it is not a "fair" aim. He is making a fundamental mistake common in people who are ignorant about the true nature of Islam, of assuming that such a state will coexist peacefully with its neighbours and not try to foist its stone age mentality on them. An Islamic superstate (Caliphate) will fight and war with its neighbours, just as Caliphates spread Islam by the sword for centuries and much as the Arab states have warred with Israel, a Jewish state, because rather than accommodate difference, Islam is fearful of it. Muslims are enjoined to emulate their prophet in every particular, which includes subjugating the world to Islam.<br /><br />To sum up, bin Laden was instrumental in the murders of innocents in the Twin Towers and elsewhere. The people working there were not given a fair trial, nor were the passengers in the hijacked aeroplanes. They were used as means to bin Laden's grisly ends. Why should bin Laden be afforded the rights he denied others?<br /><br />He is on record as admitting those murders and inciting more. He was proud that he was guilty of them.<br /><br />He got what he deserved, and far more peacefully than he deserved, compared with the agonies suffered in the Twin Towers and by the families and friends of those in whose murders he took such great pleasure.<br /><br />I would like to debate, but with someone who at least may be prepared to budge. I doubt that Marsden will be capable of doing so.Citizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-5035906096060655572011-05-06T01:49:15.127-07:002011-05-06T01:49:15.127-07:00I got this email too:
Here are my responses:
1....I got this email too:<br /><br />Here are my responses:<br /> <br />1. An end to the illegitimate political entity of Israel:<br /> <br />This is not a legitimate demand as long as Jews are treated as inferior and second class citizens under Sharia which will be the law of the land after the State of Israel has been destroyed. <br /> <br />2. Removal of all US military bases from the Middle East:<br /><br />Those who treat all non-muslims as inferior second class citizens cannot complain about US military bases. Are non-muslims not supposed to even defend themselves from the threat of the hateful ideology of Islam directed against them?<br /> <br />3. Formation of an Islamic superstate:<br /> <br />They just want a powerful entity to continue oppressing non-muslims under Sharia and attacking non-muslims through Jihad.<br /> <br />In short, none of these demands is legitimate without an Islamic Reformation.<br /><br />At the same time, all of these demands are legitimate AFTER Islam has been reformed to eliminate Jihad and Sharia from Islam.<br /> RamachandraCitizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-24485823507086414462011-05-06T01:46:19.311-07:002011-05-06T01:46:19.311-07:00Someone emailed this:
Marsden, My mommy taught me...Someone emailed this:<br /><br />Marsden, My mommy taught me, ‘If you want to play, you gotta pay”.<br /> <br />It is not a particularly difficult concept, but to the Muslim culture, it seems not so much.<br /> <br />Muslims started whining from the get go. When his Mecca neighbors kicked Mo out he didn’t respect their decision. Instead he licked his wounds, brooded, plundered, pillaged, paid the re-enforcements with his booty for their support, and then pounced.<br /> <br />That is the pattern. You must accept Me, [Islam] or you will die.<br /> <br />We don’t accept this doctrine, Never Will. It is anathema to our culture, our representative republic, religious heritages, intellectual bent, family structure and common sense.<br /> <br />You have, it appears forgotten the [16 +/-] United Nations sanctions against Iraq the preceded the war. At anytime between 1 & 16 Sadam Hussein made choices. [If you want to play, you gotta pay]. Any number of UN articles are available to enlighten you.<br /> <br />There appears to be no Innocents in Islam. There appears to be no Moderates in Islam. Their Silence following the death of bin Laden is deafening! From the Cradle the insidious seed of Islam sprouts and is watered by women who don’t even understand that they are but chattel to be ‘Gifts’ like bin Laden 5th wife. [My guess is she is illiterate.] But certainly scared for her life should she ‘dishonor’ her family by note marrying a man twice her age [father’s age?].<br /> <br />If there Is an epiphany and denial of this crushing doctrine, you Kill these apostates. Innocents indeed.<br /> <br />You have also forgotten why bin laden took aim at the United States. He was so willing to accept US money, tactic aide, military equipment and political support when it aided his efforts against the soviets in Afghanistan.<br /> <br />When Sadam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1991, bin Laden tried to persuade the Saudi’s to accept his ‘mujahedeen’ fighters to repulse the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and protect Saudi Arabia. The Saudi’s accepted the US forces instead and this was the first Fatwa against the West for setting it Kafir boots onto ‘Holy Land’.<br /> <br />Now there’s logic for you. Al Qaeda couldn’t tell its friend from its foes, over ridden by Religious zeal. A simple Thank You would have changed the course of history! But Islam isn’t capable of it. Their Key Aims indeed.<br /> <br />As for your three points<br /> <br />Point 1:<br /> The political entity of Israel is not only legitimate it was mandated by the world. Lets see, The Balfour Declaration, Mandate of the League of Nations, the 1947 United Nations decision, etc. It shouldn’t take you too much time to educate yourself. Now that the Arab Block controls the United Nations, perhaps you might want to lobby there. Although it might be easier to ‘just get along’, but I guess you really can’t since, every other word in the Koran is about Killing the Jews. Lovely.<br /> <br />Point 2:<br /> All Military bases in the Middle East exist at the invitation of the state in which it exists. We have treaties and honor the agreements of each. Perhaps you should talk with these governments. Elect new leaders. You have choices now if I’m not mistaken. <br /> <br />Point 3:<br /> If you want a Caliphate, you should make a caliphate. Self-reliance is sweet. You should experience it for yourselves. It will be a cold day in hell before the United States of American lifts one finger toward your goals. Help yourselves. Educate yourselves. Oh wait, you don’t teach natural science, math, biology, zoology, physiology, astronomy, or any other Ology in your madrassa’s. If all the ‘educated’ Muslims living in the west [hating the Kafirs they can’t befriend] returned to their homelands, wow think of all the Change that might happen. <br /><br />SightseerNWCitizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-9874104577244787572011-05-06T01:43:26.821-07:002011-05-06T01:43:26.821-07:00Someone emailed this comment:
(Please excuse my p...Someone emailed this comment:<br /><br />(Please excuse my poor english, I never learned it at school, only from TV, reading lyrics in Vinyl-Records and now on the internet.)<br /><br />It goes like this:<br /><br />Dear Marsden,<br />Please go reading<br />- the quran<br />- the hadithes<br />- islamic forums on the net<br /><br />When You are done, You will change the definition of islam from "religion" to geopolitical longterm-project. And besides that, You will feel very alarmed.<br /><br />With kind regardsCitizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-40395733366850325702011-05-06T01:40:34.577-07:002011-05-06T01:40:34.577-07:00Someone left this comment:
Katherine Marsden has ...Someone left this comment:<br /><br />Katherine Marsden has already made up her mind about the killing of Osama Bin Laden:<br /><br />"Osama bin Laden's death was murder, plain and simple<br /><br />Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/Osama+Laden+death+murder+plain+simple/4736485/story.html#ixzz1LYOTaEmd"<br /><br />She invokes "humanitarian international law" (IHL).<br /><br />I fully agree with this as a reference frame.<br /><br />We do not yet know what exactly happened in the elimination of Bin Laden.<br /><br />But we do know what happened in the execution of Dr. Karen Woo by Bin Laden inspired islamists.<br /><br />Predictably, googling "Katherine Marsden" and "Karen Woo" scored no results on 6 May.<br /><br />Marsden, like so many others, comes out the woodwork for those who urge others to kill ... yet stays mostly silent for their countless victims!<br /><br />That is the moral hypocrisy of PCs, dhimwits and leftards.Citizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-11734764956672345072011-05-05T19:43:00.180-07:002011-05-05T19:43:00.180-07:00jbh all anyone has to do is look at any place isl...jbh all anyone has to do is look at any place islam has taken root its like a plague, a rash on the ass of humanityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-77522371292874578542011-05-05T15:35:00.335-07:002011-05-05T15:35:00.335-07:00Thank you all for your many informed replies. I wi...Thank you all for your many informed replies. I will be back from a conference on Monday evening which is the earliest I can reply to your comments.<br /><br />It appears I did fudge up my death statistics, I'll post my sources on Monday. One again thank you for allowing a debate like this to take place upon your blog.<br /><br />Yours sincerely,<br /><br />Marsden<br /><br />PS First comment I submitted had typos in it.Marsdennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-19573601635646668552011-05-05T15:33:09.006-07:002011-05-05T15:33:09.006-07:00You all for your many informed replies. I will be ...You all for your many informed replies. I will be back from a conference Monday evening which is the earliest I can reply to your comments.<br /><br />It appears I did fudge up my death statistics, I'll post my sources on Monday. One again thank you for allowing a debate like this to take place upon your blog.<br /><br />Yours sincerely,<br /><br />MarsdenMarsdennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-4960373331855074012011-05-05T11:37:54.637-07:002011-05-05T11:37:54.637-07:00Sounds like liberal nonsense to me. I do believe i...Sounds like liberal nonsense to me. I do believe innocent men are living on death row in America's prisons. I do believe that my faith in the American justice system is growing weaker by the hour.<br /><br />However, of all the things that concern me, a nagging unease that Osama bin Laden was really a holy, pious and peace-loving man is not one of them. Present me EVIDENCE, not suppositions and grand philosophizing and I will seriously consider it. The scenario presented here is more of the same "everybody deserves a feel-good huggy kind of world" than I can currently contemplate. Give me something to hang my hat on, otherwise, liberals BE GONE.Anne Tylernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-91328195604830790742011-05-05T10:33:46.983-07:002011-05-05T10:33:46.983-07:00reading your statment makes me wonder if you reall...reading your statment makes me wonder if you really have a clue about spec ops or any type of combat situation.. you cant second guess the intentions of a hostile person in a combat situation as you would suggest because it's your LIFE or his.. And by the way ULB was a murder he killed people that had no idea or clue of what he stood for or who he was..... HE killed for his warped seance of ideology and got just what he deserved in this world.. Now he has to deal with God..<br /><br />although civilian casualties in war time is a tragic event they are a by product of war.. only understood by the people who wage, fought or lived in that type of situation/ environment. Case in point an Afgan tribal chief who commented on CNN in 2003 about the unintentional bombing of a wedding party, although he was grieved about the situation he made the comment that in war these things happen..<br /><br />even thou you condem the terrorist methods you justafy their actions by agreeing to their ideology..<br /><br />1- An end to the illegitimate political entity of Israel... <br /> Israel is a legitamit Gov and Soverign people ... You nor them have the right to declare them illegitimant just because of their religion, When you do that you justify their actions and idea of complete genocide of the Jews... No better than Hiltler.... The Israelies dont go around and killing Palestinan civilians out of blue they are a reactionary county who are protecting their way of life... EVERY time their has been conflict in that region the Israelies have Reacted to violance perpatraited on them.. Just as you and i would do to protect our families.. And by the way the Christians in that part of the world are being persacuted/murdered at an all time high since any time in the last 50 years.. But i guess that's ok? check it out and google it.. <br /><br /> 2-Removal of all US military bases from the Middle East...<br /> Big difference between a colony and a military installation.. A military installation on foreign soil is a BASE just what the word means... It's a guest of a foreign government... we are not running the gov... you obliviously havent been to irag any time lately to see the infrastructer rebuilding, gov and civilian assistance that we are providing with our own tax dollars and soldiers lives..<br /><br />3- Formation of an Islamic superstate.<br /> The formation of a religious superstate is noting like the EU, NATO or anything else.. these are Gov, Military pacs based on mutual support NOT religious Ideology... If you think a Muslim superstate would be tollerent of a Christian superstate than i think your nuts. A Muslim Superstate has no tollerance for anything non Muslim.. they will either make you submit or kill/murder you.. Heck most muslim factions dont even tollerate other different types of muslim factions.. you dont see baptist blowing up non baptists....Christianity does not have any gov/superpower to defend it's ideology either..Bumburyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09811979908109943644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-22182112252901742702011-05-05T10:26:57.146-07:002011-05-05T10:26:57.146-07:00We need to suspend aid to all Islamic countries an...We need to suspend aid to all Islamic countries and leave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com