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I have read numerous books about Islam, however th...

2012-01-06T09:29:47.995-08:00

I have read numerous books about Islam, however the one I found most interesting and easy reading is "The Life and Religion of Mohammed," by J.L. Menezes

I would suggest you read this to understand where the Koran comes from. I will give you a hint, it is not Allah.

Hi Friend, Thanks so much for spreading awareness...

2011-04-01T12:11:25.439-07:00

Hi Friend,

Thanks so much for spreading awareness on how dangerous Islam is and how it can eradicate innocent people of "other faiths" from this world.

Earlier, I used to think that Islam was peaceful but when I started to find independent and unbiased sources, I clearly found out, that the religion of Islam was not peaceful at all to "non-muslims". As you pointed out, there were two phases in Muhammed's life, one where he was consolidating his position and during that time, he preaced peace and harmony. In the second phase, where he was well established he started to vent his anger towards "non-muslims".

Below is some logic, I have used to argue why Quran and Muhammed were false:

1) If God says one thing at one time, then he will not reverse it no matter what. But, in Quran there are various abrogation’s. God is not a human, who changes his mind due to circumstances and time. So, this logic clearly invalidates Islam and Muhammed's teachings and shows Muhammed’s double face during his two phases of early Islam and later Islam periods during his life.

2) I find it very amusing how Muhammed ensured to get revealed passages to ensure he marries wife of his adopted son. Please apply your logic on this. Can the Great God is interested in revealing to Muhammed whom he should marry. Basically, this clearly shows Muhammed had great sexual tendencies and he lusted the wife of his adopted son and wanted to have her no matter what and conveniently made "Allah" reveal verses that ensured it was okay to marry her. Simply, only persons with animalistic behaviour can do that. He was a lustful fellow who bedded so many.

3) Islam shows discrimination towards non-muslims, if it was a religion of peace then it should not show discrimination. My simple question is, when people of Arab countries can follow their religion in western countries, then why in Saudi Arabia, you do not have churches/temples?

Finally, majority of muslims are good for nothing people. They simply want sex, sex and sex. These buggers veil their ladies but they themselves who would like to bed good looking westerners. These are bigots and devoid of any scientific temper.

You can see all of modern history, the contributions of Muslim world is negligible to the world apart from increasing their population and presenting to the world their dangerous ideology which is embedded in that home-made book of Muhammed called "QURAN".

Muhammed was a lusty fellow who just wanted Sex all the time, that's why he conveniently summoned" Allah" at various times to satisfy his lust through various passages. Muhammed was a brutal fellow who just loved one thing which was sex and sex and sex.

I wonder, how intelligent men can be following Islam, then I found the answer. Majority of the muslims, do not know Arabic and they simply rote it by heart and do not critically examine Islam. Islam prohibits critical examination of itself. These muslims are so narrow-minded fellows, that whenever some one tries to opine his critical arguments against Islam they starting giving fatwa against that person. Followers of Islam are a disgrace to humanity and I wish Almighty God to Eradicate Islam (and convert these muslims either to some other peaceful faith or make them atheists. Because, atheists are at least better than muslims, since they do not wage holy war against others) altogether from our beautiful planet.

How can the teachings of Islam be so intolerant an...

2010-10-03T00:34:01.725-07:00

How can the teachings of Islam be so intolerant and yet there are perfectly nice Muslim people?

Mostly because some people who call themselves Muslim don't know much about Islam and haven't read much of Islamic doctrine.

Then we've got the orthodox Muslims who know the teachings and follow them, but who do not want non-Muslims educated about Islam because it interferes with their political goal of bringing the whole world under Sharia law. To stay under the radar until then, they are perfectly nice to the non-Muslims they know.

But the truth is, the actual teachings of Islam are intolerant toward non-Muslims, and Muslims are told in the Quran to pretend to be friendly with non-Muslims while never actually liking them.

Read more: Practicing Muslims Warned Against Making Friends With Non-Muslims

Vern, your responses are pretty typical for someon...

2010-10-03T00:24:56.638-07:00

Vern, your responses are pretty typical for someone who hasn't really looked very hard into this topic. I don't blame you. It's not a pleasant topic. But here is a response to the thing about Christianity:

Why I'm worried about Islam but not Christianity

And here's a response to your kind comments about your Muslim friends:

The existence of a nice Muslim does not invalidate the statement that Islamic teachings advocate intolerance and violence toward non-Muslims. The fact that you know a Muslim who knows how to get along with non-Muslims does not mean he would not also advocate imposing Shari'a law on non-Muslims, and does not mean he is not actively striving toward that goal. The fact that he is really nice does not mean he repudiates the supremacist nature of Islamic teachings. The existence of a Muslim who happens to be charming does not discredit a single thing I've said.

I can't help but speculate what sort of articl...

2010-10-02T19:03:06.489-07:00

I can't help but speculate what sort of article would be produced by substituting "Bible" for "Koran" and substituting "heretic" for "unbelievers".

Better that reading the Koran is to make the effort to know some of your Muslim neighbors as I have. They are, like most humble people in the world basically kind, forgiving and friendly.

And finally, whether YOU believe the Quran command...

2010-08-07T10:43:41.703-07:00

And finally, whether YOU believe the Quran commands you to be intolerant or violent towards non-Muslims, many Muslims DO believe it, and are using the Quran to justify their violence against non-Muslims all over the world, and they have been doing so for 1400 years.

It has been such a consistent theme, a web site (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks) keeps track of all the violence committed in the name of Islam around the world, and has been doing so since 9/11. As of today, August 7, 2010, fifteen thousand, seven hundred and ninety-two attacks on non-Muslims have been committed since 9/11.

Citizen Warrior is a web site devoted to helping non-Muslims understand where this perpetual hostility against them is coming from and figuring out what to do about it. If you'd like to start a web site for Muslims that would convince THEM of what you're trying to convince ME of, I would applaud your efforts.

But if you would like to convince me that because YOU don't believe the Quran encourages violence against non-Muslims then none of the rest of the Muslims do either (or that the Quran really DOESN'T encourage intolerance and violence toward non-Muslims), I think your task is hopeless. I have read the Quran cover to cover.

From an excellent article, Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?:

When the Qur'an's violent verses are juxtaposed with their Old Testament counterparts, they are especially distinct for using language that transcends time and space, inciting believers to attack and slay nonbelievers today no less than yesterday. God commanded the Hebrews to kill Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites—all specific peoples rooted to a specific time and place. At no time did God give an open-ended command for the Hebrews, and by extension their Jewish descendants, to fight and kill gentiles. On the other hand, though Islam's original enemies were, like Judaism's, historical (e.g., Christian Byzantines and Zoroastrian Persians), the Qur'an rarely singles them out by their proper names. Instead, Muslims were (and are) commanded to fight the people of the book—"until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled" and to "slay the idolaters wherever you find them."

The two Arabic conjunctions "until" (hata) and "wherever" (haythu) demonstrate the perpetual and ubiquitous nature of these commandments: There are still "people of the book" who have yet to be "utterly humbled" (especially in the Americas, Europe, and Israel) and "idolaters" to be slain "wherever" one looks (especially Asia and sub-Saharan Africa). In fact, the salient feature of almost all of the violent commandments in Islamic scriptures is their open-ended and generic nature: "Fight them [non-Muslims] until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely." Also, in a well-attested tradition that appears in the hadith collections, Muhammad proclaims:

"I have been commanded to wage war against mankind until they testify that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God; and that they establish prostration prayer, and pay the alms-tax [i.e., convert to Islam]. If they do so, their blood and property are protected."

This linguistic aspect is crucial to understanding scriptural exegeses regarding violence. Again, it bears repeating that neither Jewish nor Christian scriptures—the Old and New Testaments, respectively—employ such perpetual, open-ended commandments.

I'm going to answer you in several ways, AAA, ...

2010-08-07T10:23:34.180-07:00

I'm going to answer you in several ways, AAA, not because I believe I will change your mind, but because everyone who comes after you to read these comments may learn something from our interaction.

First of all, I have gotten many comments like yours. So many that I wrote a "standard" answer which you can read here:

Message to Peaceful Muslims

Also, my general response to what you're saying would be something like this:

1. According to mainstream Islam since the time of Mohammad, the Quran is the perfect, unalterable, eternal word of Allah.

2. It says in the Quran over seventy times a Muslim must follow the example of Mohammad.

3. Mohammad was intolerant and violent toward non-Muslims, repeatedly and consistently, as soon as he had the power to do so. He ordered the assassinations of those who insulted him or Islam. He ordered and personally oversaw the beheading of his political prisoners. He raided and plundered and conquered for the last ten years of his life. This is not history as told by his enemies, but history as told in the Sira and the Hadith, written by devout Muslim believers.

4. There are not many peaceful passages in the Quran, but what few exist have all been abrogated by more intolerant and even violent verses revealed to Mohammad later in his prophetic career. Read more about that here: Definition of Abrogation.

For those who don't know, according to Wikiped...

2010-08-07T10:12:00.248-07:00

For those who don't know, according to Wikipedia, "Alhamdulillah" is an Arabic phrase meaning "Praise to God" or "All praise is due to Allah," similar to the Hebrew phrase Halelu Yah (Hallelujah).

In everyday speech it simply means "Thank God!" It is used by Arabic-speakers of all religions, but more frequently by Muslims due to the centrality of this specific phrase within the texts of the Quran and the words of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.

I have been a Muslim all my life. And for that I s...

2010-08-07T01:16:27.978-07:00

I have been a Muslim all my life. And for that I say Alhamdulillah. Secondly, westerners in general love to take the verses of the Qur'an out of their historical context and just blindly accuse Islam and the Qur'an of violence. For your information, many of the "violent" verses were revealed to prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) when he was at state of war wiith the pagans of Makkah. So read the reason of revelation very carefully. Then you will understand what those verses were intended for

Anonymous, You say: ‘You will never UNDERSTAND th...

2010-07-16T15:45:05.287-07:00

Anonymous,

You say: ‘You will never UNDERSTAND the Holy Qur'an because you are not believers.’

Then only two sentences later you say: ‘However you must study the Holy Qur'an to UNDERSTAND our belief and faith.’

So which is it? How do you resolve this contradiction? Can we understand without belief or can understanding only come through/because of belief?

You should read your own Qur'an 3:138 for it says: ‘Here is a plain statement to men, a guidance and instruction to those who fear God!’

And Qur'an 2:159: ‘clear signs and the guidance that We have sent down’

Islam is a revealed religion so anyone who can read and think can understand it.

But maybe you were trying to give us a lesson on abrogation and we must assume that your latter statement replaces your former one!

Thank you so much for this excellent commentary. T...

2009-12-07T18:38:20.870-08:00

Thank you so much for this excellent commentary. To TEXJewess, well said. I will definitely buy this book. I have learnt much about islam whilst living in several islamic countries for many years and despise the ideology and those who practise it more than words can say. I can find absolutely nothing to recommend it as Christianity has it all to help us live as near a perfect life as we can, and as Jesus claimed, he was the last prophet and that those who would come after Him were false prophets. Enough said.

First off "Anonymous" that is the proble...

2009-12-07T10:31:52.742-08:00

First off "Anonymous" that is the problem, you can't stand and show your face because those who live in darkness disguise themselves in darkness. Second your either ignorant, misguided or disingenuinous about Jesus. FACT: Yeshua IS a JEW of Hewbrew lineage through His mother, Mary. Maybe Isa is how Yeshua is pronounced in Arabic, but He is not Arab or Palastinian or what other lies Shatan has you make up for him. I studied islam intensly for 7 years and came to the realization it is a communist, tyrannical, political machine trying to use God as a front. Nice try but you will never fool those of us who think for ourselves instead of being spoon feed indoctrination crap. I will do everything in my power to let anyone who has questions about islam to first read the book then ask themselves the question..."Is this what a Graceful, SANE, Loving, merciful, just God looks like?" And any woman and right thinking man knows you don't punish rape victims. So Mr. Anonymous, be careful which hornet's nest you think will attack first...we are on to you...even "the peaceful ones". I know about the tricks you use to lie to Americans.

Many people talk about the need to reform Islam...

2007-12-16T23:02:00.000-08:00
Many people talk about the need to reform Islam. Now you can stop talking and start helping.

With the help of our readers we went through the Koran and removed every verse that we believe did not come from Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate. However, it is possible that we missed something, and we could use your help. If you find verses in the reformed version of the Koran that promote violence, divisiveness, religious or gender superiority, bigotry, or discrimination, please let us know the number of the verse and the reason why it should be removed. Please email your suggestions to koran-AT-reformislam.org.

When we finish editing process, we would like to publish Reform Koran in as many languages as possible. If you could help with translation or distribution of the Reform Koran, please email us at koran-AT-reformislam.org. If you could provide financial support, please visit our support page.

In Memoriam of Aqsa Parvez.

http://www.reformislam.org/reform.php

Pastorius, over at the Infidel Blogger's Alliance,...

2007-11-26T19:52:00.000-08:00
Pastorius, over at the Infidel Blogger's Alliance, has posted an interview with Bill Warner, who works for the company that published A Simple Koran. The interview is surprising and enlightening. Check it out: 270 Million Dead Bodies Can't Be Wrong.

I have just written an article to answer peaceful ...

2007-10-27T17:41:00.000-07:00
I have just written an article to answer peaceful Muslims like yourself. Although, in truth, your comments don't seem entirely peaceful. Anyway, here is my answer: A Message To Peaceful Muslims.

As-Salamu Alaikium, (Peace Be Unto You) Islam(subm...

2007-10-27T16:56:00.000-07:00
As-Salamu Alaikium, (Peace Be Unto You) Islam(submission) to do the will of Allah(The God). My Name is Bahaadur Ahad=brave One. Why is islam under Attack? Islam had nothing to do with 9/11. You will never understand the Holy Qur'an because you are not believers. The Qur'an speaks of Jesus-Real name 'Isa in Arabic. However you must study the Holy Qur'an to understand our belief and faith.
The War on Terror is a Fake War to attack Muslims and Islam. However don't make that mistake. The Muslim Nation are like a Hornets Nest, and you know what happen when you attack the nest. So America please make the right policy decisions. We as americans and muslims Lives depend on that.
Tell me what you Think
bahaadur_abdulahad@yahoo.com

Good stuff, I will read this!

two Mohammads...

2007-10-25T19:53:00.000-07:00
Good stuff, I will read this!

two Mohammads -
Mecca to Medina
preacher to warlord

first he just teaches Islam
then later he demands it

two parts to Quran -
first conceived in Mecca
then in Medina

first half religion of peace
second half promotes conquest

two types of Muslims -
undoubtedly most of them
follow peaceful words

at least two hundred million
desire worldwide Caliphate...

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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