tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post235299132195155888..comments2024-02-18T23:52:40.165-08:00Comments on Citizen Warrior: Why Talk About Islam? Shouldn't We Talk Specifically About "Extremists?"Citizen Warriorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-30676848274753705512013-08-27T07:30:53.498-07:002013-08-27T07:30:53.498-07:00There is a very simple test to differenciate betwe...There is a very simple test to differenciate between secular (modern/moderate) muslims and islamists. <br />State that you dislike the islamic doctrine on principle and consider the calling to prayer a bloody awful noise.<br />Say that you are 100% for free speech regardless of who is offended and you would never believe the claims of a used-camel dealer on life after death.<br />Then when they shrug an say, "ok, your opionion", you know they are truely good people.<br /><br />If they get all red and start shouting islamaphobia and threatening to kill/sue you, you know they don't believe the rubbish they spout.Georginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09868742011199314903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-42725908664008416492013-08-10T22:33:40.039-07:002013-08-10T22:33:40.039-07:00I would advice people like ekblad to go to website...I would advice people like ekblad to go to websites like www.faithfreedom.org to get to know the truth about islam.theknightoflogicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-38727627287928725112013-07-12T13:15:28.635-07:002013-07-12T13:15:28.635-07:00Elsa emailed this comment:
Here it is, in a nutsh...Elsa emailed this comment:<br /><br />Here it is, in a nutshell (from my most recent send-out):<br /><br />Is the problem Islam or Islamism?<br /><br />I know that a lot of people believe the problem is Islamism. According to them, Islam is fine. <br /><br />That's what I thought years ago. But there's a problem. The Islamic religious texts - the Quran, Sira and Hadiths. Death to anyone anyone who leaves Islam. The inferiority of women. Death to gays. The utter inferiority of non-Muslims. And so on. <br /><br />As Churchill said long ago, many Muslims are better than their religion. That doesn't mean the religion is okay. An excellent resource: Bill Warner's Factual Persuasion. Bill Warner is the person who coined the term, Political Islam, to refer to the huge portion of Islam which is not religious but pertains to non-Muslims. This is Islam, not some crazy misreading, not "Islamism."<br /><br />Here is Factual Persuasion:<br />http://worldtruthsummit.com/media-files/FactPersuasion.pdf<br /><br />CitizenWarrior puts it in a nutshell:<br />"What is written in Islamic texts is dangerous to non-Muslims. That's it. That's the only message we need to get across. When this sinks in, it changes everything."<br />http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2013/06/the-bare-bones-message.html<br /><br /><br />All the best to all of us who care and dare.<br /><br />Elsa, http://WorldTruthSummit.comCitizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-64268345065239612432013-07-12T13:04:49.114-07:002013-07-12T13:04:49.114-07:00That's a very good point, Jan. The excerpt bel...That's a very good point, Jan. The excerpt below is from an article entitled, <a href="http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam" rel="nofollow">Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?</a> and it illustrates your point well:<br /><br />Old Testament violence is an interesting case in point. God clearly ordered the Hebrews to annihilate the Canaanites and surrounding peoples. Such violence is therefore an expression of God's will, for good or ill. Regardless, all the historic violence committed by the Hebrews and recorded in the Old Testament is just that—history. It happened; God commanded it. But it revolved around a specific time and place and was directed against a specific people. At no time did such violence go on to become standardized or codified into Jewish law. In short, biblical accounts of violence are descriptive, not prescriptive.<br /><br />This is where Islamic violence is unique. Though similar to the violence of the Old Testament—commanded by God and manifested in history—certain aspects of Islamic violence and intolerance have become standardized in Islamic law and apply at all times. Thus, while the violence found in the Qur'an has a historical context, its ultimate significance is theological. Consider the following Qur'anic verses, better known as the "sword-verses":<br /><br />"Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way."<br /><br />"Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day, and do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden – such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book – until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled."Citizen Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265844262699107352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-8440603283797456612013-07-12T11:40:03.573-07:002013-07-12T11:40:03.573-07:00The commenter Ekblad brings up a comparison of the...The commenter Ekblad brings up a comparison of the violence in the Bible and the Koran as if they are the same; they are not.<br />The violence in the Bible, however disgusting is mostly bound to place and time.Violence in the Koran is open-ended; written ( and obviously interpreted) as if applicable to all times and places.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05276365811293256695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3503986435514614182.post-6761735842053240262008-11-10T23:04:00.000-08:002008-11-10T23:04:00.000-08:00I remain absolutely convinced of the necessity of ...I remain absolutely convinced of the necessity of informing my fellow Kuffar about the reality of Islam. <BR/><BR/>Very few realize that there is a war on. Fewer still realize that the war has been ongoing since 624. <BR/><BR/>Very few remember that U.S. merchant vessels were under attack and being seized between 1779 and 1815. America paid tribute to the Barbary Pirates, who were Muslims. Look up the Barbary Wars at Wikipedia. Pay close attention to what the Tripolitain Ambassador said to Adams & Jefferson, for it reveals all. <BR/><BR/>His revelation is very similar to Bukhari4.53.386. Google that name & number; (you'll find one of my blog posts; click the link therein.) read it to the end. What did the Muslim General say to the Persians he was about to slaughter? <BR/><BR/>You see, only one interpretation of the Qur'an counts: Moe's. He was the expert authority, since he recited the Qur'an. <BR/><BR/>Moe's interpretation is found in the oral tradition of his companions who described what they saw him do and heard him say. The traditions are codified in several hadith collections. <BR/><BR/>Four of the most authentic collections are in a database at USC-MSA: Compendium of Islamic Texts. <BR/><BR/>Bukhari, Muslim & Abu Dawud are the most informative. Each has a book of Jihad. Bukhari also has books of Khumus & Expedition. Read them and weep. <BR/><BR/>Most of my blog posts have links to one or more of those books. You can get to all of them from any of them through links in the left sidebar. <BR/><BR/>Ibn Kathir compared verses to other verses and to hadith. His Tafsir is considered authentic. www.qtafsir.com has a search engine so that you can search by surah:ayeh numbers. Read the tafsirs for 8:39 & 9:29. <BR/><BR/>What did the titles of those tafsirs communicate to you? Search for the command, the order and the good news. Or look up my blog post: ROPMA. <BR/><BR/>Islamic law is the ultimate in Qur'anic interpretation. Reliance of the Traveller is dispositive. In this case, Book O, Chapter 9, Paragraph 8. Google Reliance of the Traveller O9.8 or visit this recent post at <A HREF="http://moesmurdermult.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/myth-vs-fact-2/" REL="nofollow">Moe's Murder Cult</A>, where you will find Al-Taubah 29, links to 4 relevant tafsir topics and a quote from O9.8. with a link to a scanned image of the book.<BR/><BR/>What does the Caliph do? Why? How often does he do it. Turn to O9.1 for the last answer. <BR/><BR/>If you search Reliance for Acts That Constitute Apostasy o8.7.<BR/>Here is an item from the list:<BR/>-7- to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus (def: b7) belongs to it, or to add a verse that does belong to it;<BR/><BR/>What penalty is imposed for Apostasy, and, in effect, for denial of any verse of the Qur'an? <BR/><BR/>There are no extremists. There are zealous, believing Muslims who obey Allah and emulate Moe. They are deadly. We have no way of sorting them out from the less zealous Muslims who pose little threat. <BR/><BR/>The status of a Muslim in name only is subject to change at any time; he may become zealous. Search the Qur'an for Believers, you'll find the definition. What do they do? <BR/><BR/>What must a Muslim do to be saved? (Hint: its in As-Saff.)Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01975775791961343435noreply@blogger.com